Democracy In Egypt

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and from KY glad you know she's all right. Again when in America have 200 men of any religion banned up and sexually attacked a woman? Tell us again how great Egypt is compared to the rest of Muslim countries!
On behalf of the reporter and all women GFY!

it's an impossible arguement for her to win.

so expect a "Nah, I think you are full of ****" response

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Strange attitude you have about who is allowed to say what.

I don't know what you mean by this.

In the post you quoted from me I said that I thought it was "fine" that you chose not to respond. Obviously you're free to say whatever you want, but behavior has consequences.

I have strongly disagreed with Antitrust dozens of times on here. I think she's a right-wing nut and I'm sure she thinks I'm a lefty lunatic, but our discussions and debates are almost always civil and reasonable.
Yours aren't.
Why do you think that is?

[Antitrust32]

miraj... I disagree with about 85% of everything the Republicans come up with! I think Clinton (while he had a lot of problems) was 10 times the president that GW was!

I consider myself very fiscally conservative... and I do not consider republicans to be fiscally conservative.

Plus I am semi pro choice and a lesbian!! I take offense to being in the same category of Nascar and my good buddy del!

with that said..

I'd much rather be called a right wing nut than a liberal any day of the week

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

miraj... I disagree with about 85% of everything the Republicans come up with! I think Clinton (while he had a lot of problems) was 10 times the president that GW was!

I consider myself very fiscally conservative... and I do not consider republicans to be fiscally conservative.

Plus I am semi pro choice and a lesbian!! I take offense to being in the same category of Nascar and my good buddy del!

with that said..

I'd much rather be called a right wing nut than a liberal any day of the week

I know.
I was just trying to make the point that we disagree a lot.
I'm well aware of the vast difference between you and people like Nascar and del.

You're one of my favorite people to argue with on here because since you actually THINK about things, I'm arrogant enough to believe I still have a chance of converting you on an issue or two. I'm not going to argue much with those other guys. What's the point?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Listen you dumb biatch you said you were "glad she was all right" not that 'she was all right'! Quote me right!

GFY, Dell.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and from KY glad you know she's all right. Again when in America have 200 men of any religion banned up and sexually attacked a woman? Tell us again how great Egypt is compared to the rest of Muslim countries!

I didn't say that, you fool. I was referring to violence in democracy.

On behalf of the reporter and all women GFY!

I'm sure that all women, and Lara would have preferred you express some remorse for her getting attacked, rather than just co-opting her attack as part of your "I hate Muslim" meme.

It's interesting - rather arrogant - that you think you speak for all women.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I know.
I was just trying to make the point that we disagree a lot.
I'm well aware of the vast difference between you and people like Nascar and del.
You're one of my favorite people to argue with on here because while I often disagree with you I'm arrogant enough to feel like since you actually THINK about things, I still have a chance of converting you on an issue or two. I'm not going to argue much with those other guys.
What's the point?

thats what I like to say to straight girls


I didnt really take offense... I just wanted to be able to throw in that liberal line


but yeah, I enjoy a good political debate with people on all sides of the spectrum. Sometimes you learn new things! and there are always lots of different situations that can affect your judgement.

like this for example:

I watched a 3 hour documentary on Reagan the other night and couldnt believe how similar he and GW Bush are. I was just a baby for the Reagan years and just listened to my Dad when it involved Reagan (my dad loves Reagan).

But Star Wars!?!? what a waste of money

And I had no idea the debt when from 997 billion to 2.85 trillion during those years.

We went from being the largest international creditors to the largest international debtors during the 80's.

Ending the cold war was a very good thing... but Gorbechev (sp?) deserves as much credit for that as Reagan.

And dont let me get started on Iran-Contra.

I'm cutting myself reading this thread.

[Riot]

I don't know what you mean by this.

You chastize me for what you perceive to be unacceptable responses on my part, but you don't say a word about the same behaviour here in others. That's a strange set of social standards you hold. I'm quite happy to treat other posters here precisely as they treat me.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm sure that all women, and Lara would have preferred you express some remorse for her getting attacked, rather than just co-opting her attack as part of your "I hate Muslim" meme.

It's interesting - rather arrogant - that you think you speak for all women.

Oh Lara? Now you know her well enough to call her by first name? Yea I'm sure she'd hate me bashing what happened including her muslim attackers and was glad to take one for the team.

How ironic will it be if the new military government, as one of its first actions, outlaws protests?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

it's an impossible arguement for her to win.

so expect a "Nah, I think you are full of ****" response

That's not the argument I made, though, is it?

And you wonder why I think you are full of ****, and call you on it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Oh Lara? Now you know her well enough to call her by first name?

Well, I could refer to her as "that reporter", as you do. How dare I give her a name and face!

Yea I'm sure she'd hate me bashing what happened including her muslim attackers and was glad to take one for the team.

Who here said that? Nobody I've seen. Including me. I never remotely supported her attackers, did I?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not the argument I made, though, is it?

And you wonder why I think you are full of ****, and call you on it?

because you have a brain the size of a pea?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

because you have a brain the size of a pea?

Nice try to deflect away from you being caught misstating what I said.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nice try to deflect away from you being caught misstating what I said.

you have issues...

gotta go..

goodnight and dont take things so damn personal if you want to dish it like you do.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who here said that? Nobody I've seen. Including me. I never remotely supported her attackers, did I?

I guess your silence regarding blame of any kind (except DT posters) and the fact you thought your Lara, who has a face and name to you, was all right leads me to believe, at least in your mind, little harm was done when in fact every one of the MFers who took part need to be castrated. I challenge you to quote anytime you balmed the 200 or for that matter said anything derogatory whatsoever.

It's (you're) all right, Obama has done almost the same..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you have issues...

gotta go..

goodnight and dont take things so damn personal if you want to dish it like you do.

I have very few "issues", personal or otherwise, or it's doubtful I'd be here.
Hey! Why don't you try not making it about other posters for a change? See how that goes for you. Because some of you really don't appear to like being on the receiving end of your own behaviours. It might work for ya.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I guess your silence regarding blame of any kind

All the blame is on the attackers. Oh, wow! Who would have thought anybody would think that, unless they said it!??? Crazy stuff!

The blame is not on all Egyptians.

was all right leads me to believe, at least in your mind, little harm was done

Only if you completely ignore the posts I wrote to you saying it wasn't.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, because the hundreds of thousands who protested peacefully and non-violently for 18 days - including women and children in the square - don't represent the country, while the acts of a few do.

Yeah, that's never happened in the United States, women getting attacked and raped after football celebrations, during street parades/parties, etc.

Glad she'll be okay.

are you kidding me? Where the F is the blame other than the US.

Glad she'll be okay?

I'd bet she (Lara) would want to punch you in the face! Rather than worry about bashing muslims.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

are you kidding me? Where the F is the blame other than the US. Glad she'll be okay?
I'd bet she (Lara) would want to punch you in the face! Rather than worry about bashing muslims.

That post had no blame on the US for Lara's attack. Are you crazy? Try reading the next two posts I wrote to you, too. You know, where I said how horrific her attack was, that others were attacked too, that there was no excuse for her attackers, and again, that blaming all Muslim Egyptians for her attack is despicable.

Let's put this in really clear terms, Dell, so you won't continue to misunderstand and falsely represent what I think about this:

The attack on Lara Logan was terrible, horrific, and her attacker should suffer five times what she did, then be tortured to death. Yes, I'm very glad she'll be okay, in that the possibilities and closeness of that call were horrible, that she was rescued by Egyptians (who were probably Muslim!) and soldiers (who were probably Muslims, too!)

The attack is not representative of Egyptians, or Muslims, or Muslim Egyptians, or Christian Egyptians, or of democracy - it is representative of violent attackers. Violent attackers exist in democracy, too. The referral to Egyptians celebrating democracy by beating and rape was a despicable slam on all Egyptians.

Got it now, Dell? Now, if you want to continue to talk about this, tell me what you think about this op-ed. I posted it early in the thread. It's titled, "What not to say about Lara Logan".

http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._rape_reaction

I know you will click and read the whole thing, but here is an excerpt:

Here’s what you do say when something like this happens. Like countless women around the world, Lara Logan was attacked in the line of duty. She was assaulted doing her job. It was a crime of unspeakable violence. And your opinion of how she does that job, the religion her assailants share with a few million other people, or the color of her hair has nothing to do with it.

UPDATE: After an overwhelmingly negative reaction to his tweets, Nir Rosen has resigned his post at N.Y.U.