Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

[dalakhani]

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How much is too much for a player of Anthony's calibre? I say they overpaid considering the leverage they had but still ended up making the right move. You give whatever you have to give to land a player like Anthony.

Denver did really well for themselves considering the position that they were in.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

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How much is too much for a player of Anthony's calibre? I say they overpaid considering the leverage they had but still ended up making the right move. You give whatever you have to give to land a player like Anthony.

Denver did really well for themselves considering the position that they were in.

They had to get Melo at any costs. Getting a chance at a player of his ability in his prime is rare. They can bulid around him and Amare. They would have been no better then 500 team with those other guys. I think its a great deal for both sides.

[Dahoss]

To answer the original question, yes they gave up too much. After this season if they are able to sign another player it might turn out to be an okay trade for them. But right now, IMO, not a good trade for them. Rony Turiaf is slated to start for them and they gave up all of their young talent.

The good news is all of the doucher NY fair weather celebs will be on hand to watch a first round exit.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The good news is all of the doucher NY fair weather celebs will be on hand to watch a first round exit.

At least Spike Lee, Woody Allen, and Matt Modine have beeen going for years while they sucked.

This trade is so hilariously bad that it almost feels like an April Fool's joke. Isiah Thomas's slimy fingeprints are all over it. His goal of continually destroying the Knicks continues. He never did get over Bernard singlehandedly beating him in that five game series in 1984.....but he sure has gotten his revenge.

[MISTERGEE]

Isaiah is very busy coaching FIU Basketball

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At least Spike Lee, Woody Allen, and Matt Modine have beeen going for years while they sucked.

This trade is so hilariously bad that it almost feels like an April Fool's joke. Isiah Thomas's slimy fingeprints are all over it. His goal of continually destroying the Knicks continues. He never did get over Bernard singlehandedly beating him in that five game series in 1984.....but he sure has gotten his revenge.

Isiah Thomas < The gift that keeps on giving.

[randallscott35]

The Knicks may be the worst run franchise in sports.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

To answer the original question, yes they gave up too much. After this season if they are able to sign another player it might turn out to be an okay trade for them. But right now, IMO, not a good trade for them. Rony Turiaf is slated to start for them and they gave up all of their young talent.

This is comical. Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star.

[Cannon Shell]

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

[somerfrost]

Good long term move for Knicks, they are in position to challenge next year if they can add a piece or two, Denver got the best deal they could but are no longer a force in the west as they will seek to rebuild.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is comical. Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star.

Thanks for sealing the deal, Isiah1985

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

I think the problem is that he would have ended up with the crosstown (or soon to be) Nets. That would have been a disasterous step back for an organization trying to move forward after a beyond horrible past decade. It's a move that will most likely help this team move forward, generate more excitment around the team and appease a fan base that has started to come back.

As far as if they gave up too much, they probably did. But I think it was necessary because if push came to shove, I really believe that he would have accepted the trade to the Nets so he could get the new extention before the possible new CBA. I think I heard the number being somewhere close to 60 million if he didn't sign it this season. I can't imagine him leaving that much money on the table when he had the opportunity to play for a team in the same area.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Good long term move for Knicks, they are in position to challenge next year if they can add a piece or two, Denver got the best deal they could but are no longer a force in the west as they will seek to rebuild.

Denver got a great haul. Compare what Denver got to what Cleveland got for LeBron.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the problem is that he would have ended up with the crosstown (or soon to be) Nets. That would have been a disasterous step back for an organization trying to move forward after a beyond horrible past decade. It's a move that will most likely help this team move forward, generate more excitment around the team and appease a fan base that has started to come back.

As far as if they gave up too much, they probably did. But I think it was necessary because if push came to shove, I really believe that he would have accepted the trade to the Nets so he could get the new extention before the possible new CBA. I think I heard the number being somewhere close to 60 million if he didn't sign it this season. I can't imagine him leaving that much money on the table when he had the opportunity to play for a team in the same area.

There was no shot of him signing with the Nets. This isnt baseball where a team like the Yankees can just blow everyone out of the water. The deal he would have signed as a FA is going to be the same regardless of where he went. HE wanted to be traded because he makes more money resigning as a member of a team than as a unrestricted FA. DENVER wanted to trade him because they did not want to wind up like Cleveland. But seriously do you think the Nets would have made a deal for him if they had no guarantee that he would resign with them? The Russian simply played his hand as well as possible by bluffing the crosstown rivals into giving up too much.

I am a Knick fan. I will root for him. But the fact is that he was coming to NY regardless and he could have come to a team that is a lot better than the team he will play on.

[Cannon Shell]

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[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There was no shot of him signing with the Nets. This isnt baseball where a team like the Yankees can just blow everyone out of the water. The deal he would have signed as a FA is going to be the same regardless of where he went. HE wanted to be traded because he makes more money resigning as a member of a team than as a unrestricted FA. DENVER wanted to trade him because they did not want to wind up like Cleveland. But seriously do you think the Nets would have made a deal for him if they had no guarantee that he would resign with them? The Russian simply played his hand as well as possible by bluffing the crosstown rivals into giving up too much.

I am a Knick fan. I will root for him. But the fact is that he was coming to NY regardless and he could have come to a team that is a lot better than the team he will play on.

Chuck what I was trying to say, was that he would have ok'ed the trade to the Nets and then re-upped with them to get the max. That is if the Knicks decided not to trade for him and just waited for him to hit the FA market, hence him leaving alot of money on the table.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...medium=twitter

Quoting a liberal to make your point? You are convinced.

I'm not a Knick fan, but if I were, I'd be ambivalent on the deal. Carmelo is a tremendous talent and he/Amare will be the second-best one-two punch in the NBA. But there really isn't much beyond that on the team now. Billups is on the way down, Fields is a roleplayer and Shawne Williams and Turiaf are one-trick ponies. I can't even name any other players on the team.

In order for this trade to be a long-term positive rather than another Isiah-esque shortsighted headline grab, the Knicks will have to continue to be ultra-aggressive in free agency. People may think this means grabbing Chris Paul or Deron Williams, which may indeed happen, but they also need to amass some reliable MLE-type guys this offseason to make it more than a two-man team.

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck what I was trying to say, was that he would have ok'ed the trade to the Nets and then re-upped with them to get the max. That is if the Knicks decided not to trade for him and just waited for him to hit the FA market, hence him leaving alot of money on the table.

I dont think he would have agreed to an extension with NJ. The money difference isnt that much. The knicks absolutely botched this beyond belief. They should have back-channeled to him that we will not give up all our complimentary pieces to trade for you. Ride it out, sign with us and we have a shot to win a championship next year. Winning in NY will make you way more money than the difference between re-upping. Not to mention they could do a sign and trade with Denver AFTER the season like Cleveland and LeBron and Toronto and Bosh did.

The funny thing is LeBron gets blasted but the reality is he manipulated the system to make his team better and took less money. Anthony played the system simply to make more money and weakened his team in the process.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Quoting a liberal to make your point? You are convinced.

I'm not a Knick fan, but if I were, I'd be ambivalent on the deal. Carmelo is a tremendous talent and he/Amare will be the second-best one-two punch in the NBA. But there really isn't much beyond that on the team now. Billups is on the way down, Fields is a roleplayer and Shawne Williams and Turiaf are one-trick ponies. I can't even name any other players on the team.

In order for this trade to be a long-term positive rather than another Isiah-esque shortsighted headline grab, the Knicks will have to continue to be ultra-aggressive in free agency. People may think this means grabbing Chris Paul or Deron Williams, which may indeed happen, but they also need to amass some reliable MLE-type guys this offseason to make it more than a two-man team.

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

He is a smart liberal who makes sense. Not too many of those to follow.

Anthony is a tremendous scorer but isnt a complete player and IMO they have left too many holes to fill and not enough maneuvering room to get real help. The Chris Paul/Deron Williams thing just isnt going to happen unless everyone agrees to take a lot less money and isnt that the main reason that Anthony and Amare are in NY? Again getting Anthony is great but considering the circumstances I think they gave up far more than they needed to and probably as Silver said have "doomed" themselves into being a 50 win team that probably wont ever win a title. Kind of like a Dallas Mavs of the East.