2/26 (GP): Fountain of Youth, Hutcheson, Davona Dale (G2's)

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Do you ever give it a rest?

I have no idea what your problem is except extreme arrogance, but go ahead and say that the horse ran a good race. I eagerly anticipate your analysis - or was your comment about War Front as much as we can expect from you. You sure have a hard time being civil.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He just did not impress me in the same way he impressed others.

He got the softest of trips and he I don't think he finished as well off those easy setups as he should have, for a horse of his hype.

I didn't think he sucked or anything though.

As for Bernardini, who knows how good he'll be, but right now he's the odds on choice to be the sire of a triple crown winner in 2015!

I thought he finished very well in the Nashua, not quite as well in the Remsen for sure.

I'm sure he won't be taken off the Derby trail, but he's not a horse at this point that I could really support unless he comes back with a huge performance.

[hockey2315]

OMG he ran third! The horror! Please drop him down to a claimer after a six month lay-off.

[lemoncrush]

Again, the 1-1/8 distance at gulf is ridiculously tough on outside posts. These races always produce the inside horses. If Soldat had the 7 post, I doubt he wins.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I have no idea what your problem is except extreme arrogance, but go ahead and say that the horse ran a good race. I eagerly anticipate your analysis - or was your comment about War Front as much as we can expect from you. You sure have a hard time being civil.

Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

Why so nice.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

Is there a reason I should care what strangers think about me? If you're tired of my posts, please feel free to skip them - or take a nap before you read them so you won't get so tired.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Is there a reason I should care what strangers think about me? If you're tired of my posts, please feel free to skip them - or take a nap before you read them so you won't get so tired.

You don't have to care. But drop the incredulous victim act when people react sarcastically to your routine.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Scav

Why so nice.

If you think he's being too nice, instead of being gutless, why don't you come at me with guns blazing? I can handle it, believe me. Go ahead - say what you really feel.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You don't have to care. But drop the incredulous victim act when people react sarcastically to your routine.

Victim act? LOL I disagree with you on THAS and instead of reacting civillly, you get up on your high horse. I'm sure you'll select THAS on top in whatever race he runs in next, right? He's going to be a horse you look at carefully before wagering your hard earned $$ ?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Victim act? LOL I disagree with you on THAS and instead of reacting civillly, you get up on your high horse. I'm sure you'll select THAS on top in whatever race he runs in next, right? He's going to be a horse you look at carefully before wagering your hard earned $$ ?

Every time someone rolls their eyes at you, your response is 'what is your problem?' Does that not tell you something? You really think everyone else has the problem and you're the one person being reasonable?

Don't worry about who I bet on. That's not germane to this discussion in the least. The point is, anyone who thinks the horse should be taken off the Derby trail because he wasn't sharp today is completely overreacting.

[slotdirt]

So...Gourmet Dinner isn't horrible. That is all.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Every time someone rolls their eyes at you, your response is 'what is your problem?' Does that not tell you something? You really think everyone else has the problem and you're the one person being reasonable?

Don't worry about who I bet on. That's not germane to this discussion in the least. The point is, anyone who thinks the horse should be taken off the Derby trail because he wasn't sharp today is completely overreacting.

Fine, let's just cut the bull and get to the heart of the matter. Maybe I overreacted with that Derby comment, but whether or not you agree, I don't think THAS ran a very encouraging race. Now maybe he expended energy in the gate because he was fractious, but don't you think he expected a better performance? Yes, I'm not going to apologize for being very disappointed. I expected this horse, even at not quite 100%, to roll - I certainly didn't expect him to fade badly. I'm sure Mott will do the right thing with him, but I can't say that I have the same confidence in the horse that I did going in.

You did and Steve is ultra-sensitive to them, Betsy. It is worse than the N word!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Fine, let's just cut the bull and get to the heart of the matter. Maybe I overreacted with that Derby comment, but whether or not you agree, I don't think THAS ran a very encouraging race. Now maybe he expended energy in the gate because he was fractious, but don't you think he expected a better performance? Yes, I'm not going to apologize for being very disappointed. I expected this horse, even at not quite 100%, to roll - I certainly didn't expect him to fade badly. I'm sure Mott will do the right thing with him, but I can't say that I have the same confidence in the horse that I did going in.

I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

What about her brilliant Bernardini 2nd crop stats in Feb?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So...Gourmet Dinner isn't horrible. That is all.

2011 model of Jackson Bend. Very game and hard-trying.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

He can stay on the Derby Trail, but I would consider a one-turn claiming event or possibly a start on synthetic for his next race. So what I am saying is, keep the Derby as an option but start positioning for a different goal.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Steve didn't Mott rell EVERYONE the FOY was not going to be the colts finest hour?

Pretty much. Had him fit but not tight. He looked a couple works short.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So...Gourmet Dinner isn't horrible. That is all.

I still think his best game would be a fast paced 7f race. I wasn't watching him close - but he seemed to have a perfect position and looked ultra menacing on the far turn only to hang in the stretch. I would have made a strong bet on him today had he run in the Hutcheson instead.

I liked To Honor And Serve's race. He was wide on both turns and had every right to be flat off of the layoff. It was the kind of performance that gets people to overreact. Funny Cide was like a fading 5th with a similar wide trip in his 3yo debut -- he was a very fast 2yo and after that race - I think he was an incredible high price in Derby futures.

Soldat had every advantage in the world going for him coming into this race - he had a great draw, you knew he would send, and speed typically dominates these Derby prep races - especially at 9fs. Soldat's going to be another in a long line of speed horses who brings strong form into the Ky Derby only to see himself get cooked by sprinter/miler speed.