90 Days for Dutrow; ARCI calls for license revocation

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

howie tesher cant wait for this to play out

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Kasept

but the doctrine of fair play has to be part of whatever attempt there is to provide an atmosphere of integrity in the sport.

i just found this comment funny when we are talking about cheaters!

Dutrow ruins the integrity of the sport with his actions.

I think Riot stole Steve's login info.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

As for this question, I'd say that Dutrow's program tries to take every advantage it can under the rules to get the best performance possible from its' horses. There are dozens of large outfits that operate the exact same way. But its' funny that when those outfits catch medication positives, apologies are made FOR them by the public and media. It's not equitable.

Owners have no problem in fact demand that such trainers push the enevelope as far it can go without crossing the line.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Owners have no problem in fact demand that such trainers push the enevelope as far it can go without crossing the line.

The million dollar question is: If a substance NOT ILLEGAL then is it LEGAL? If the answer is legal than the sport will always be playing catch-up to the chemists.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

The million dollar question is: If a substance NOT ILLEGAL then is it LEGAL? If the answer is legal than the sport will always be playing catch-up to the chemists.

And? this is news, or just the way it is. They are banning horses from going into oxygen chambers. The only reason why is because some people cant afford it and some can. Why wouldnt you allow a horse to breathe oxygen whats next you cant give your horse a vitamin or organic supplement because it makes them feel better? Oxygen is now illegal.. Wouldnt want them breathing to much air?

[asudevil]

He's no phuckin good babe. A real low life babe. Not sayin' others aren't the same, babe. He's just no damn good for the game....BABE!!

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You want to admonish him and set up a set of ground rules he's required to follow going forward, fine. That's fair. But the way this is being gerrymandered isn't right and won't hold up legally. Even Allday, who has had a very public breakup and fight with Dutrow, said that you better apply the same standards to EVERYONE if you're going to go down this road.

The "same standard" argument is really weak in this case. Even if you believe that there are several other top outfits that "push the envelope," aside from a guy like Asmussen, how many other trainers have a laundry list of infractions as long as Dutrow? In this regard alone, a harsher penalty may justifiably be imposed upon him.

You are also confusing the "rules" from the "penalties" here. The states already have set the ground rules that he's required to follow, and he's repeatedly shown that he's incapable (or unwilling) of following them. That racing has been lax on the penalties in the past doesn't mean that it is unfair to come to a point, even without providing notice of such intent, to impose harsher penalties. This argument essentially becomes: if I really knew that you were going to be tough on me, then I might have decided to follow the rules, but since I didn't fully appreciate what could be the consequences of my actions, it's unfair if you don't slap me on the wrist for the umpteenth time.

All that being said, from a purely legal perspective, NYSRWB may be making a mistake in joining the recent Fastus Cactus/syringe infractions with the broader eligibility issue at this time. If they waited until it was time for him to renew his license in August and simply declined to do so, he'd be hard-pressed to get such a determination overturned, given the very deferential "arbitrary and capricious" (agency decision would be upheld so long as there is a rational basis for denying the license, and with his history, such a denial would likely stick) standard of review that would apply to a legal challenge to that administrative determination.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Owners have no problem in fact demand that such trainers push the enevelope as far it can go without crossing the line.

Could that be why the attorney whose representing Dutrow has recently worked in-house for Michael Dubb?

[paulo537]

I expect Dutrow will get a minimum 6 month suspension and, more likely one year.

Will it hold in court? Nobody knows but how much is Dutrow willing and able to spend on legal fees to challenge?

That seems to be the real question to me.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by paulo537

I expect Dutrow will get a minimum 6 month suspension and, more likely one year.

Will it hold in court? Nobody knows but how much is Dutrow willing and able to spend on legal fees to challenge?

That seems to be the real question to me.

Does it really matter as his string will be passed to his assistants and he will manage from the clubhouse so to speak. You want to put teeth into this then ban all horses currently under training by Durtow from New York racetracks for the duration of his ban. This will certainly be a major detterent to this type of crap.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Could that be why the attorney whose representing Dutrow has recently worked in-house for Michael Dubb?

I don't know, all I do know is that Dubb is a savvy real estate developer, and Dutrow is a great horseman. I realize that Dutrow has had a ton of issues and I dodnt condone it but certainly those issues in the past cant be the basis for current punishment unless others of his ilk are treated in the future in kind. It's a slippery slope they are attempting to head down

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I realize that Dutrow has had a ton of issues and I dodnt condone it but certainly those issues in the past cant be the basis for current punishment unless others of his ilk are treated in the future in kind. It's a slippery slope they are attempting to head down

In almost every other area of life, the person's past history forms part of the context for current punishment. For example, a doctor with multiple incidents of malpractice is more likely to get his license revoked by the Department of Health for incompetence than a doctor with an otherwise "clean" record. How is this any different?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

In almost every other area of life, the person's past history forms part of the context for current punishment. For example, a doctor with multiple incidents of malpractice is more likely to get his license revoked by the Department of Health for incompetence than a doctor with an otherwise "clean" record. How is this any different?

You get a speeding ticket you pay your fine and your license gets points affixed to it. As long as you dont go above a prescribed fig you keep you priviledge to drive. Is there points system in racing? If there was you would have a case otherwise it becomes a subjective circus with lots of room for capricious claims. Getting back to the example above if get 1 speeding ticket for 84mph in a 55 every 15 months you never have more then X pts on your record because every clean year you lose 2 pts.

What are you going to do with Assumssen and Pletcher when they get popped again?

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What are you going to do with Assumssen and Pletcher when they get popped again?

I'd want them to do the same thing. But I think we know that's not going to happen. Dutrow's big problem is his mouth. That makes him an easy target.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

I'd want them to do the same thing. But I think we know that's not going to happen. Dutrow's big problem is his mouth. That makes him an easy target.

I don't know what his problem is..There is no denying he has been a cheat and most likely will cheat again. The answer is not getting rid of him its getting a penial system established that all could reside within.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

freddy send him to dubai and cut him loose..it will be fun to see

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

freddy send him to dubai and cut him loose..it will be fun to see

I know he just sent out a stakes winner on 6 days rest to win again. And Pat said american trainers and stock couldnt do that. The guy ran Golden Man 3 times in 10 days

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I know he just sent out a stakes winner on 6 days rest to win again. And Pat said american trainers and stock couldnt do that. The guy ran Golden Man 3 times in 10 days

then he drops them into a 12.5 claimer and wins easy ..no claims..lol

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

then he drops them into a 12.5 claimer and wins easy ..no claims..lol

Dutrows seems to find a few horses every year that he races on very quick turnbacks. Why not?