Pace figures for Derby Prep races so far

[The Indomitable DrugS]

My pace figures:

Stakes race, pace setter after 6fs, pacesetters pace figure

San Vincente: The Factor 128
San Felipe: Comma to the Top 116
Hutcheson: Flashpoint 114
Sham: Tapizar 110
Bob Lewis: Tapizar 108
Spiral: Decisive Moment 105
Fountain of Youth: Soldat 104
Rebal: The Factor 102
El Camino Real Derby: Jakesam 98
Holy Bull: Mucho Macho Man 93
Southwest: Derivative 90
Louisiana Derby: Lion Drive 86
Whirlaway: JJ's Lucky Train 85
Gotham: The Fed Eased 81
Risen Star: Mucho Macho Man 80
Dialed In's ALW race: Reprized Halo 80
Lecomte: Pants on Fire 79
Tampa Derby: Brethren 79
Sam Davis: Brethren 78
Timely Writer: Uncle Mo 58



Translated Moss Pace figures after 6f from DRF:

Stakes race, pace setter after 6fs, pacesetters pace figure

San Vincente: The Factor 112
Hutcheson: Flashpoint 109
San Felipe: Comma to the Top 104
Sham: Tapizar 101
Bob Lewis: Tapizar 98
Rebal: The Factor 90
Louisiana Derby: Lion Drive 87
Holy Bull: Mucho Macho Man 82
Southwest: Derivative 82
Fountain of Youth: Soldat 79
Spiral: Decisive Moment 76
Tampa Derby: Brethren 71
Sam Davis: Brethren 71
Whirlaway: JJ's Lucky Train 68
Gotham: The Fed Eased 68
Lecomte: Pants on Fire 68
Risen Star: Mucho Macho Man 65
El Camino Real Derby: Jakesam 65
Borderland Derby: Orion Express 65
Dialed In's ALW race: Reprized Halo 63
Timely Writer: Uncle Mo 41

[Indian Charlie]

Until now, I never realized how slow Uncle Mo is.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Until now, I never realized how slow Uncle Mo is.

To bump your 6f pace figure of 58 to a final figure of 89 at a mile ... you do have to run a 'late pace' figure of 182. A slow horse can't do that.

Very few true front-end speed horses would ever tolerate going that slowly early on.

Look at Bind yesterday ... he was running much faster fractions than those set in either the Louisiana Derby or the New Orleans Handicap race won by Mission Impaz - and he was doing it with his rider taking him wide on the first turn (riders think horses relax better further off the rail) and the horse had his mouth open fighting the bit the whole way.

For whatever reason - the better offspring of War Front all seem to rate beautifully. It would only be par for the course with the way the breed has been going if War Front becomes the greatest route-race sire in the land. The Larry Jones filly who romped at Turfway yesterday is the latest War Front tour-de-force in a route stake.

Uncle Mo's dam was a turf horse - and based on how extremely kindly he rates - he's one of the few speed horses who would probably love both turf and synthetic racing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

To bump your 6f pace figure of 58 to a final figure of 89 at a mile ... you do have to run a 'late pace' figure of 182. A slow horse can't do that.

Very few true front-end speed horses would ever tolerate going that slowly early on.

Look at Bind yesterday ... he was running much faster fractions than those set in either the Louisiana Derby or the New Orleans Handicap race won by Mission Impaz - and he was doing it with his rider taking him wide on the first turn (riders think horses relax better further off the rail) and the horse had his mouth open fighting the bit the whole way.

For whatever reason - the better offspring of War Front all seem to rate beautifully. It would only be par for the course with the way the breed has been going if War Front becomes the greatest route-race sire in the land. The Larry Jones filly who romped at Turfway yesterday is the latest War Front tour-de-force in a route stake.

Uncle Mo's dam was a turf horse - and based on how extremely kindly he rates - he's one of the few speed horses who would probably love both turf and synthetic racing.

I was joking.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

What do you think of the latest War Front sired special:

http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA

[hockey2315]

More of a Larry Jones special. . .

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What do you think of the latest War Front sired special:

http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA

Looked ok, I guess. I hate that track though.

Why do you like her? Is it because her dam is named Mazel Tov?

[Thunder Gulch]

Comma to the Top's effort was huge to keep trying after the other pace collapsed when Premier Pegasus ran by. He's probably not a 10f horse, but he had it much tougher than the Factor's Rebel, even if not quite as fast.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Comma to the Top's effort was huge to keep trying after the other pace collapsed when Premier Pegasus ran by. He's probably not a 10f horse, but he had it much tougher than the Factor's Rebel, even if not quite as fast.

Comma to the Top went 14 points (or exactly 5.75 lengths) faster than The Factor did in his Rebal win.

Perhaps you missed that because I spelled the Rebel 'r-e-b-a-l' .....

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Comma to the Top went 14 points (or exactly 5.75 lengths) faster than The Factor did in his Rebal win.

Perhaps you missed that because I spelled the Rebel 'r-e-b-a-l' .....

Was looking at Factor's San Vicente...anyway, you get the point.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The San Vincente was more like two divisions of one race - than one actual race.



The Factor (who romped in Rebel next out) and Premier Pegasus (who romped in the San Felipe at 7/1 next out) have the purple.

City Cool - who forced the mind boggling pace figure - is the only one from division #1 of the race who hasn't run back yet.



His Beyer regressed 20-to-25 or so points - but the San Vincente was his best race.


Division #2 of the race has produced three horses who all came back to tank beaten double digit lengths at short prices next-out. At least Sinah (4th early in San Vincente) forced a big pace collapse in the Sunland Derby. The two behind him were flat as a pan cake with rating tactics on the stretch-out in distance. Sway Away in red.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My pace figures:

Stakes race, pace setter after 6fs, pacesetters pace figure

San Vincente: The Factor 128
San Felipe: Comma to the Top 116
Hutcheson: Flashpoint 114
Sham: Tapizar 110
Bob Lewis: Tapizar 108
Spiral: Decisive Moment 105
Fountain of Youth: Soldat 104
Rebal: The Factor 102
El Camino Real Derby: Jakesam 98
Holy Bull: Mucho Macho Man 93
Southwest: Derivative 90
Louisiana Derby: Lion Drive 86
Whirlaway: JJ's Lucky Train 85
Gotham: The Fed Eased 81
Risen Star: Mucho Macho Man 80
Dialed In's ALW race: Reprized Halo 80
Lecomte: Pants on Fire 79
Tampa Derby: Brethren 79
Sam Davis: Brethren 78
Timely Writer: Uncle Mo 58

I have the Florida Derby pace figure a 113 - if the pace call was 4fs instead of 6fs - you might be looking at a 120+ on my scale.

The late pace figure for the Florida Derby was a 49... making it by far the slowest come-home Derby prep on dirt - east of the Rockies.

Timely Writer: 182 late pace
Risen Star: 131 late pace
Dialed In's ALW race: 116 late pace
Louisiana Derby: 112 late pace
Gotham: 110 late pace
Rebel: 106 late pace
Holy Bull: 106 late pace
Sam Davis: 100 late pace
Fountain of Youth: 97 late pace
Whirlaway: 96 late pace
Tampa Derby: 92 late pace
Lecomte: 91 late pace
Southwest: 86 late pace
El Camino Real Derby: 85 late pace
Hutcheson: 84 late pace
Sham: 67 late pace
San Vincente: 65 late pace
Spiral: 57 late pace
Bob Lewis: 47 late pace
San Felipe: 44 late pace

[hockey2315]

The figs are up on formulator FYI

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

The figs are up on formulator FYI

Thanks - Moss with a 101

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Translated Moss Pace figures after 6f from DRF:

Stakes race, pace setter after 6fs, pacesetters pace figure

San Vincente: The Factor 112
Hutcheson: Flashpoint 109
San Felipe: Comma to the Top 104
Florida Derby: Shackleford 101
Sham: Tapizar 101
Bob Lewis: Tapizar 98
Rebal: The Factor 90
Louisiana Derby: Lion Drive 87
Holy Bull: Mucho Macho Man 82
Southwest: Derivative 82
Fountain of Youth: Soldat 79
Spiral: Decisive Moment 76
Tampa Derby: Brethren 71
Sam Davis: Brethren 71
Whirlaway: JJ's Lucky Train 68
Gotham: The Fed Eased 68
Lecomte: Pants on Fire 68
Risen Star: Mucho Macho Man 65
El Camino Real Derby: Jakesam 65
Borderland Derby: Orion Express 65
Dialed In's ALW race: Reprized Halo 63
Timely Writer: Uncle Mo 41