Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I don't think the knicks expected to contend for anything this year when they made the trade. I think they wanted a guy to potentially build around and pair up with Amare. I don't think there was a single player in what they traded that will end up being anything special.

In game 2, Carmello looked like a player that was worth trading what they did to get him. He was clearly the best player on the floor for either team. You do whatever you have to do to get a guy like this because there are less than a dozen of them out there.

Contend? Winning a game might be nice. Again, I am a Knicks fan and I hope I am wrong but they need actual NBA players to fill out roster spots 4-12.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

He carried them in game two with AS's back acting up....can't blame Melo for either loss, the Knicks simply can't close out games against the better teams, they could be 2-0 if they could. They aren't far from being a pretty good team, Orlando is declining so next year they could easily be fourth behind the Heat, Bulls and Celtics.

He played fine. But they lost. I think they gave up too much and they aren't any better with him than they were before they got him. Saying he played like LeBron is a compliment actually. They would have made the playoffs without making the trade and they'd be no worse for the wear than being down 2-0 in the first round. I think they gave up too much, but in the end it doesn't matter when Chris Paul joins up. You know that is what they're waiting for. I think they'd have been as good if Chris Paul joined the pre-trade roster or the Carmelo roster. The world today is more about propaganda then results especially in this country...the Carmelo trade was good propaganda for the Knicks even though it changed results none. Look at our elections today...pure propaganda events. The results always the same regardless of the propaganda or who is actually elected. Our elections are just as rigged as any country's elections we make fun of...it's simply broadway theater to make us think there is any difference between what we are electing whatsoever. There is none.


The Carmelo trade was simply theater for the masses. It had nothing to do with anything whatsoever results wise. For the Nuggets it was simply about not getting LeBroned next free agency by Melo and to get as much as possible...(see Deron Williams trade). They can't win a title with or without Melo for the short term future until they get Chris Paul.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Contend? Winning a game might be nice. Again, I am a Knicks fan and I hope I am wrong but they need actual NBA players to fill out roster spots 4-12.

They played down to the wire two games, on the road, against a rugged veteran team...without their starting point guard for all of one and part of another and without their all world power forward for most of the second game.

I think its fair to say that without some bad luck this series might have gone six. Heck, it might go 6 anyway.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They played down to the wire two games, on the road, against a rugged veteran team...without their starting point guard for all of one and part of another and without their all world power forward for most of the second game.

I think its fair to say that without some bad luck this series might have gone six. Heck, it might go 6 anyway.

If Boston had bothered showing up for the first 2 games we would have had more games like tonight's.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

He played fine. But they lost. I think they gave up too much and they aren't any better with him than they were before they got him. Saying he played like LeBron is a compliment actually. They would have made the playoffs without making the trade and they'd be no worse for the wear than being down 2-0 in the first round. I think they gave up too much, but in the end it doesn't matter when Chris Paul joins up. You know that is what they're waiting for. I think they'd have been as good if Chris Paul joined the pre-trade roster or the Carmelo roster. The world today is more about propaganda then results especially in this country...the Carmelo trade was good propaganda for the Knicks even though it changed results none. Look at our elections today...pure propaganda events. The results always the same regardless of the propaganda or who is actually elected. Our elections are just as rigged as any country's elections we make fun of...it's simply broadway theater to make us think there is any difference between what we are electing whatsoever. There is none.


The Carmelo trade was simply theater for the masses. It had nothing to do with anything whatsoever results wise. For the Nuggets it was simply about not getting LeBroned next free agency by Melo and to get as much as possible...(see Deron Williams trade). They can't win a title with or without Melo for the short term future until they get Chris Paul.

The Knicks aren't getting Chris Paul or Deron Williams with AS and CA on the roster. They can't sign them as a FA because of the cap and who do they have left to make a sign and trade? Think NO will take Toney Douglas and Sean Williams and a 2020 1st rounder for Paul? Think the crazy Russian will help the Knicks? The Knicks hardly have any draft picks left in the immediate future and they are now good enough to win enough games to ensure they get a middling pick anyway. They should have stayed put with the team they had and did a sign and trade with Denver after the season sending Chandler and some spare part for Anthony. Or tell Anthony that there is a take it or leave it deal for him, sign it or don't. He would have signed and they would still have a roster full of good, young pros. Or in other words tradable assets. They still were going to make the playoffs and might have even actually won a game. The idea that this is just a first step seems to ignore the fact that the cap is going to be tougher to maneuver around going forward and with giant holes at PG, C, SG and with no depth I just don't see this being much different than Denver East.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He looked like a superstar tonight.

How about last night?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How about last night?

He looked pretty bad last night

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I can assure they will love it, the fans here have been waiting on Melo to perform post-season and carry the Nugs through for a long time. No dice here, and the current NY team is far worse than this years Nuggets team was and it will look that way. Good riddance.

Yeah that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Yeah that.

I am curious to know which particular year it was where the Nuggets had the best team and Carmello didn't deliver. Were they supposed to make it past the lakers these last couple of years???? The team made it to the Western conference final and that is as far as their ability should have taken them.

What exactly were the Knicks supposed to do here in the first round? At full strength, it looked like it was going to be a pretty competitive series. Was Carmello supposed to will them past Boston?

I understand some of the criticism and indeed some of it is justified but I don't see where he let the Nuggets down or choked away potential titles.

[Cannon Shell]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320121018

[MaTH716]

Not that I give a damn, but you have to think that Danotini's seat is starting to get very hot.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Not that I give a damn, but you have to think that Danotini's seat is starting to get very hot.

Yeah someone is going to have to take the blame.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Not that I give a damn, but you have to think that Danotini's seat is starting to get very hot.

He's going to be gone soon if they don't start winning some games. Schedule has been easy so far and they still can't win.

[jms62]

Great article in todays NYT on Phil Jacksons love affair with New York. It is only a matter of time and would be fitting bookends for him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Great article in todays NYT on Phil Jacksons love affair with New York. It is only a matter of time and would be fitting bookends for him.

I can't see Jackson taking the job with the Knicks as the team is presently constructed. One thing Jackson did very well was choose to take jobs where he knew he would be successful. This team doesn't have a MJ and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq. It has a very bad owner. It has no draft picks and a small amount of cap space. And it has a guy who is a ball stopper as the primary focus of the offense. It has a max contract guy with bad knees who isn't moving very well. It has no point guard, no back up point guard, no depth, no defensive stopper, no scoring off the bench. The cap situation is shaky and with Chicago and Miami both looking considerably better than NY I just don't think Phil's gonna jump into a situation for this first time in his career.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I can't see Jackson taking the job with the Knicks as the team is presently constructed. One thing Jackson did very well was choose to take jobs where he knew he would be successful. This team doesn't have a MJ and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq. It has a very bad owner. It has no draft picks and a small amount of cap space. And it has a guy who is a ball stopper as the primary focus of the offense. It has a max contract guy with bad knees who isn't moving very well. It has no point guard, no back up point guard, no depth, no defensive stopper, no scoring off the bench. The cap situation is shaky and with Chicago and Miami both looking considerably better than NY I just don't think Phil's gonna jump into a situation for this first time in his career.

You 100% correct in every point you made. Having said that I think Phll is at a point where he is 100% comfortable that his legacy is secure. I feel he has strong feelings for the Knicks and former coach Holzman. I think at this point his memories of New York strong enough for him to accept a challange to go full circle. Just my opinion.