Twinspires Players Pool

[NTamm1215]

Any of you out there who played the Pick 6 and didn't hit, don't fret, the Twinspires Players Pool put 100k in and got back $6,104 for having 5 of 6 on two different tickets.

Their main ticket was $90,720 and missed Hooligan's Delight.

[Alan07]

How much per person did they cash for? 40 cents?

And how much of that will be taxed?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Any of you out there who played the Pick 6 and didn't hit, don't fret, the Twinspires Players Pool put 100k in and got back $6,104 for having 5 of 6 on two different tickets.

Their main ticket was $90,720 and missed Hooligan's Delight.

If they would have hit they would have gotten 3/1 assuming one tix sad

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Any of you out there who played the Pick 6 and didn't hit, don't fret, the Twinspires Players Pool put 100k in and got back $6,104 for having 5 of 6 on two different tickets.

Their main ticket was $90,720 and missed Hooligan's Delight.

That's classic.

Hey Nick, who is charge of putting the players pool ticket together? Who makes the final decision on what horses to use? Any idea how they work that?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by GPK

That's classic.

Hey Nick, who is charge of putting the players pool ticket together? Who makes the final decision on what horses to use? Any idea how they work that?

As far as I know three guys put it together. I know one is Rich Nilsen, who has been with Bris for quite some time and the other is Bryan Wagner, a veteran tournament player who won the NHC Tour in 2010. He sat 3 seats down from me at the NHC in 2009 but I didn't talk to him. I was there on business.

[GPK]

F that, though. I can lose my money just fine. I don't need to give it to someone else to do that, veteran tournament player, or not. I just can't imagine I would gather a great amount of joy letting someone else bet with my money. Unless it was Hossy, of course.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

As far as I know three guys put it together. I know one is Rich Nilsen, who has been with Bris for quite some time and the other is Bryan Wagner, a veteran tournament player who won the NHC Tour in 2010. He sat 3 seats down from me at the NHC in 2009 but I didn't talk to him. I was there on business.

They might have had better luck if instead of Bryan, his wife Judy was involved.

[pweizer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

As far as I know three guys put it together. I know one is Rich Nilsen, who has been with Bris for quite some time and the other is Bryan Wagner, a veteran tournament player who won the NHC Tour in 2010. He sat 3 seats down from me at the NHC in 2009 but I didn't talk to him. I was there on business.

Rich left Brisnet at the end of April so I am not sure if he is still involved. The people they have used are all excellent handicappers. But these are almost always bad investments as they will almost always be forced to spend more than they should to promote the gimick.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

They've also played and won. I don't think it's fair to mock them now considering they lost. I seem to recall a recent play of their's that did very well. You didn't invest with them, which is your prerogative, and fine, but some did...and they lost. Why would we laugh at them? We're all horseplayers. We lose all the time. We win sometimes too. Just like them.

I don't think I was hitting it for $100K....and frankly I'm glad I didn't have to try.

[PatCummings]

I put money in the players' pool once last summer at Saratoga and got a nice return when they won. But they put, maybe, $30,000 in that day. The last few times they've played, I've had no interest because they are playing $100,000.

It just seems ludicrous to put that type of money together, not to mention a ridiculous caveman play of $90,000+. Do you play on the off chance of being the only ticket to pull down about $4,000,000 when that is ridiculously remote?

When you win, it looks great. When you lose, it looks awful.

They had a ticket alive for 6 going into the last leg. ON their main play they used 1,3,4,11, on another backup, they had 1,4,11, but on the ticket that singled the 3 in the 8th race, they only used 1,11.

The tickets seemed to inconsistently apply their opinions, which leads to another though. What of offering players the chance to link up to four or five pools each run seperately by different handicappers of their choosing, each controlling $20,000 or so?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pweizer

Rich left Brisnet at the end of April so I am not sure if he is still involved. The people they have used are all excellent handicappers. But these are almost always bad investments as they will almost always be forced to spend more than they should to promote the gimick.

Paul

They are f'n clueless on ticket structure, the next time around they do it, we should have a DT contest on how to spend 100k in a P6, cause I can think of about 15 people here that have more of a clue then what they doing there with that crap.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by GPK

F that, though. I can lose my money just fine. I don't need to give it to someone else to do that, veteran tournament player, or not. I just can't imagine I would gather a great amount of joy letting someone else bet with my money. Unless it was Hossy, of course.

If you are playing a 100k pick 6 ticket, do you really need the "experts" constructing the tickets. Is there really a strategy involved in this ticket? Create a ticket and hope 2 or 3 big longshots come in?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

If you are playing a 100k pick 6 ticket, do you really need the "experts" constructing the tickets. Is there really a strategy involved in this ticket? Create a ticket and hope 2 or 3 big longshots come in?

I just don't understand the 90k into ONE ticket. They do that all the time. With that type of bankroll. I probably do two 30k tickets, and 5 other 8k tickets.

90k in one ticket puts a ton of emphasis on some really bad horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Actually, in this case, while I couldn't have hit it for $100K, I would have had a better chance with a Caveman ticket. Now, I don't believe in Caveman tickets, but in this particular Pick-6, I can't see how I could have had five As, and one C, for under $100K. And, forget about 6 As or Bs in a multi-ticket approach....for under $100K that is. The last winner would have required a virtual " all " and I don't know how I could have managed the other legs to have gotten that far....especially given the second winner. Frankly, the winner of the 5th leg would have been no problem, relatively speaking.

This sequence was impossible going in and no easier going out.

Originally Posted by Scav

I just don't understand the 90k into ONE ticket. They do that all the time. With that type of bankroll. I probably do two 30k tickets, and 5 other 8k tickets.


90k in one ticket puts a ton of emphasis on some really bad horses.

I agree. The so called handicapping these experts do on a 90k ticket is pointless. They can afford to go as much as 6 horses deep in every race. With that bankroll I can skim the racing form for 5 min and construct my ticket and I am still not garaunteed to win above 100k IF I win. There is no point of having "experts" or that big bankroll.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

I agree. The so called handicapping these experts do on a 90k ticket is pointless. They can afford to go as much as 6 horses deep in every race. With that bankroll I can skim the racing form for 5 min and construct my ticket and I am still not garaunteed to win above 100k IF I win. There is no point of having "experts" or that big bankroll.

I completely disagree.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I completely disagree.

90% of your bankroll on one ticket when dealing with that kind of money is pointless, reckless and also downright wrong, having that type of bankroll is definately not pointless though.

You could probably get this info, although I'm not sure how easy it is to find, but I would be curious what woud be the largest ticket played that pool today.

I would think 90k is probably close to the top 3 tickets cost wise. Maybe I'm wrong.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Scav

90% of your bankroll on one ticket when dealing with that kind of money is pointless, reckless and also downright wrong, having that type of bankroll is definately not.

You could probably get this info, although I'm not sure how easy it is to find, but I would be curious what woud be the largest ticket played that pool today.

I would think 90k is probably close to the top 3 tickets cost wise. Maybe I'm wrong.

First of all, that is not what the other poster said....so why quote my post disagreeing with him?

However, since you asked....I don't think you have really thought this one through. I am not saying I would construct the play as they did, but I will guess it wasn't random, and they certainly deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, that is not what the other poster said....so why quote my post disagreeing with him?

However, since you asked....I don't think you have really thought this one through. I am not saying I would construct the play as they did, but I will guess it wasn't random, and they certainly deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I don't have the prior tickets as proof, but I recall them normally spending alot of money on one ticket and then smaller backups.

I guess there isn't a correct answer when it comes to structuring a bunch of tickets because it will always depend on the sequence, but at some point I would trust my handicapping.