Santa Anita set to land 2012 Breeders’ Cup

[tector]

Sanan is a douche. That fact that he's a docuhe with money who likes the horsey biz only goes so far to obscure his essential doucheyness. It's not far enough.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by pointman

This is complete nonsense. Belmont Park is a world class facility, whether races start in front of the grandstand or not is irrelevant. The fact that the Breeder's Cup refuses to hold races on the circuit of the best year round racing in America is indefensible.

What does Belmont have to offer? Besides being a world class facility, Belmont easily holds well over 100,000 people, will have a very strong handle for the Breeder's Cup, can card all the BC distances and is within miles of the greatest city of the world with world class hotels, entertainment, shopping, etc. It is closer for the Europeans to ship and the weather more or less tends to be on the milder side at the start of November.

I hope that NYRA sticks it to the Breeder's Cup and forms a Fall Championship series that puts the Breeder's Cup out of business once and for all. It will be real interesting to see NYRA do that if NY does not ban Lasix on raceday when the Breeder's Cup bans it. Wonder where the majority of American (and even European) horses will end up.

I hope you end up being the one who makes the argument to hold the BC at Belmont some day. Other than the "world class" argument (which you made three times), your other "points" are ridiculous. Just because it CAN hold 100,000 is irrelevent. It doesn't draw that many on BC day. And the handle that you described as "very strong" is lower than the handle would be at Churchill. Your point about being closer for Euros to ship is silly since Louisville is only another two hours by air. And say what you want about the weather. In 2001 at Belmont, it was friggen awful. And I suppose it can rain anywhere, so I won't bring up 2005.

Finally, saying that a race being run at one turn vs. two turns is "irrelevant" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have read on this site in a long time.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by justindew

Finally, saying that a race being run at one turn vs. two turns is "irrelevant" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have read on this site in a long time.

You obviously don't read your own posts.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by tector

Sanan is a douche. That fact that he's a docuhe with money who likes the horsey biz only goes so far to obscure his essential doucheyness. It's not far enough.

I wish I would have been able to listen to ATR this morning. The write up on Paulick report makes Sanan sound exactly as you described.

I would almost guarantee that there is some ulterior motive when it comes to this Santa Anita stuff.

[NTamm1215]

If the attitude that Satish has shown in his last two appearances on Steve's show is indicative of what BC board meetings are like then there's no wonder the BC is a side show now.

Basically mocking Jennie Rees for looking for an explanation on why the BC is going back to Santa Anita was pitiful. Throwing out statistics like the BC being a money loser when it's at Belmont when it has NEVER been held at Belmont using the two-day format was irresponsible. Perhaps in the future someone on behalf of the BC can bring up exactly what it is that makes Belmont such a certain money loser.

He actually made the remark that the BC is the only shining light in the industry. Wow.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

I hope you end up being the one who makes the argument to hold the BC at Belmont some day. Other than the "world class" argument (which you made three times), your other "points" are ridiculous. Just because it CAN hold 100,000 is irrelevent. It doesn't draw that many on BC day. And the handle that you described as "very strong" is lower than the handle would be at Churchill. Your point about being closer for Euros to ship is silly since Louisville is only another two hours by air. And say what you want about the weather. In 2001 at Belmont, it was friggen awful. And I suppose it can rain anywhere, so I won't bring up 2005.

Finally, saying that a race being run at one turn vs. two turns is "irrelevant" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have read on this site in a long time.

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

Don't assume that he can spell horse.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by justindew

I hope you end up being the one who makes the argument to hold the BC at Belmont some day. Other than the "world class" argument (which you made three times), your other "points" are ridiculous. Just because it CAN hold 100,000 is irrelevent. It doesn't draw that many on BC day. And the handle that you described as "very strong" is lower than the handle would be at Churchill. Your point about being closer for Euros to ship is silly since Louisville is only another two hours by air. And say what you want about the weather. In 2001 at Belmont, it was friggen awful. And I suppose it can rain anywhere, so I won't bring up 2005.

Finally, saying that a race being run at one turn vs. two turns is "irrelevant" is perhaps the dumbest thing I have read on this site in a long time.

It is the same broken record with you. You say something stupid, you get called out on it, and you immediately resort to demeaning comments instead of an actual cogent defense of your never ending stupidity.

No one cares where the races start except you. Tracks have different configurations for different distances all across America, Belmont just happens to be unique but has always been considered a major racetrack. Since the Breeder's Cup began Belmont has been part of the rotation. Please tell me why it makes a difference whether a Championship is constested around 1 or 2 turns for any given Breeder's Cup distance or event. Considering that they ran "dirt championships" on rubber for 2 years I can't see why they would be concerned about 1 or 2 turn races.

How can you say that handle at Churchill will be higher than at Belmont? The last time the Breeder's Cup was held at Belmont it had the highest total handle in the history of the Breeder's Cup to that point despite the weather and it was still only a one day event. The point of the Breeder's Cup was to showcase the top class racing end of year Championship around America, yet they don't want to run it on the best circuit in America and one of clearly the top 3. Is the chance of bad weather at Belmont any worse than it is at Churchill? If they were so concerned about weather, then why go to Woodbine. Who is to say that with a nice day Belmont can't draw much more than they did 6 years ago?

So please, tell me how my points are ridiculous, dewchebag. Keep talking out of your a$$

[Clip-Clop]

correct me if I am wrong but the Met Mile winner is generally thought of as the best dirt miler, no?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by justindew

Your point about being closer for Euros to ship is silly since Louisville is only another two hours by air.

That's is a factor though.

Taking it a step further... believe it or not? Not everyone has a great desire to go running to Louisvile.

Belmont is another story.

Agree with Pointman, NTamm, Dunbar, etc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

It is the same broken record with you. You say something stupid, you get called out on it, and you immediately resort to demeaning comments instead of an actual cogent defense of your never ending stupidity.

No one cares where the races start except you. Tracks have different configurations for different distances all across America, Belmont just happens to be unique but has always been considered a major racetrack. Since the Breeder's Cup began Belmont has been part of the rotation. Please tell me why it makes a difference whether a Championship is constested around 1 or 2 turns for any given Breeder's Cup distance or event. Considering that they ran "dirt championships" on rubber for 2 years I can't see why they would be concerned about 1 or 2 turn races.

How can you say that handle at Churchill will be higher than at Belmont? The last time the Breeder's Cup was held at Belmont it had the highest total handle in the history of the Breeder's Cup to that point despite the weather and it was still only a one day event. The point of the Breeder's Cup was to showcase the top class racing end of year Championship around America, yet they don't want to run it on the best circuit in America and one of clearly the top 3. Is the chance of bad weather at Belmont any worse than it is at Churchill? If they were so concerned about weather, then why go to Woodbine. Who is to say that with a nice day Belmont can't draw much more than they did 6 years ago?

So please, tell me how my points are ridiculous, dewchebag. Keep talking out of your a$$

can't argue with any of that-ny would be just as capable of bad weather as arlington and churchill, or monmouth and woodbine. belmont absolutely should be part of a rotation. i don't recall anyone having any complaints about racing there at past bc's. i certainly don't recall any issues about only having 1 turn in the races. i would think that'd be a good thing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

That's is a factor though.

Taking it a step further... believe it or not? Not everyone has a great desire to go running to Louisvile.

Belmont is another story.

Agree with Pointman, NTamm, Dunbar, etc.

that makes me wonder-int'l flights-do they go right to ky, or do they stop in ny anyway? i ask because i know there are only so many international terminals. you'd think if you had to land in ny, you'd rather stay there after clearing customs, quarantine, etc than get back on a plane.
of course, it's a moot point if they do fly direct to ky.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you have been to a BC and honestly think the people in the crowd care about whether races start in front of the grandstand then you were hanging out with people who probably can't spell horse.

While I think having as many races as possible break from in front of the grandstand is a good thing, my main point here is that there is a major difference between one and two-turn races. Forget for a minute that I am the one making this point. Can you people at least agree that there is a difference between one and two-turn races, and that we would see one two-turn dirt race (Marathon) over two days if the BC was at Belmont?

I'm not anti-NY, and I don't have an ax to grind. That's why I proposed Aqueduct.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

While I think having as many races as possible break from in front of the grandstand is a good thing, my main point here is that there is a major difference between one and two-turn races. Forget for a minute that I am the one making this point. Can you people at least agree that there is a difference between one and two-turn races, and that we would see one two-turn dirt race (Marathon) over two days if the BC was at Belmont?

I'm not anti-NY, and I don't have an ax to grind. That's why I proposed Aqueduct.

My response doesn't have anything to do with the statement being from you. Having been to multiple Breeders' Cups sitting in the grandstand the majority of the people I've run into are racing fans. They understand the game and have not been the types that care about where races start. Is the statement you made valid? Sure, Belmont is very unique and horses who have been running around two turns all year will have to make an adjustment. The good thing is that there's a terrific stakes program in NY where they can test out handling a one-turn 8.5-9fs.

As for the weather argument, perhaps I'm just not the type to ever entertain that thought since I live in one of the most miserable places in the country from May-September (sometimes more). If its in the 30s on race day it could be a lot worse and I'm fully expecting it to be chilly at Churchill this year.

[Danzig]

what's the benefit of a race being over two turns rather than one? how does it affect the quality of the race? just because two turns is the norm doesn't make it better.

[Kasept]

Paul Moran sounds a perfectly toned response to the Breeders' Cup location quandry..

Breeders' Cup takes step toward failure
By Paul Moran

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Paul Moran sounds a perfectly toned response to the Breeders' Cup location quandry..

Breeders' Cup takes step toward failure
By Paul Moran

The Breeders' Cup by design is a moveable feast, intended by its founders to showcase the sport to a wide live audience. Before it was hijacked by those now at the helm, it was orchestrated as intended -- in Illinois, Texas, Canada, New Jersey and Florida as well as Kentucky, California and New York.

BINGO. That's how I would like to see it, making the rounds and not at the same track in consecutive years (even though it will allow me to be at the event for two consecutive years).

[pointman]

I had the opportunity to listen to Sanan this morning. He came across like a cheap used car salesman trying to sell the Breeder's Cup nonsense. I would love to hear why the Breeder's Cup would lose millions by coming to New York instead of just the general claim by a snake oil salesman.

The Moran article is spot on, very nice piece.