NL is destroying AL

[Revolution]

Looks like the San Diego, the Mets and St. Louis are clearly superior to anything in the AL. Probably Houston too. Atleast the Mets took the Cards to 7 games. This Detroit team is a joke and everyone they beat to get here is even a bigger joke.

Detroit, Yankees, Minnesota and A's were exposed for the frauds that the AL teams are.

The only AL win is when they cheated.

Originally Posted by Revolution

Looks like the Mets and St. Louis are clearly superior to anything in the AL. Atleast the Mets took the Cards to 7 games.

Detroit, Yankees, and A's were exposed for the frauds that the AL is.

How does losing to the 13th bestteam in baseball prove anything about the Mets?
Sorry but that doesn't work in racing either. You can't say that so and so beat so and so, and then so and so beat so and so, therefore so is better than so and so.
The fact that the 13th best team in baseball has a commanding lead only proves that the 3 outta 5 is a joke, and that the playoffs are too long. This Series could still end in November.
The Mets were a better team than the Cards, and I'm no Met fan.
By letting in grabage wildcards you turn a century of tradition, with one modification to allow 2 teams from eachleague to battle it out, into playoffs like the NBA, NFL, NHL, etc.
The one thing that was always great about baseball was that the regular season meant something. Now it means zero.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Looks like the San Diego, the Mets and St. Louis are clearly superior to anything in the AL. Probably Houston too. Atleast the Mets took the Cards to 7 games. This Detroit team is a joke and everyone they beat to get here is even a bigger joke.

Detroit, Yankees, Minnesota and A's were exposed for the frauds that the AL teams are.

The only AL win is when they cheated.

Tigers did a pretty good job of destroying themselves actually.

Fager I had to go to NY yesterday and was listening to talk sports radio the whole trip. This series has been a disaster for MLB in every way shape and form. Not just the weather and the ratings, but the hosts and callers seemed unanimous in their belief that I share, that the playoff system now means that the best team is not gonna win most often.
Its gonna be hard to get fans interested in baseball until playoff time next year. They've taken 162 games and basically made them count for very little.
Anyone whos ever played baseball at any level, even little league, knows that the best team in the league can lose to the worst team in the league on any given day much more easily than they can in the other sports.
Its truly a game of inches.
The old format pitted the two best teams in each league in a 4 outta 7 wheer the pitching rotations and matchups mirrored the regular season, 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, etc.
The three outta 5 is a joke and really puts the pressure on the HOME TEAM, because its such a short series that if the home team doesnt sweep the first two they get real tight.
If they are gonna have that disgrace of a round, at least make it 4 outta 7. Then the wildcard thing just has to be changed. Why does a division winner like the Cards get to go when the Phillies won 5 more games? If a whole division stinks, they don't deserve to go.
The other thing that makes no sense is that teams in the same division can't meet in the first round. WOuld someone please explain the reason for this to me because I just don't get it. WHy penalize the team with the best record and make them play the 3rd best team in the leaugue just because the 4th best came from their own division?
None of this ever made sense to me, but it will never change because its all based on money. And adding that additional round meant more TV money and more teams in the playoff race come September and higher attendance.

[dr. fager]

O-
I understand where you're coming from. But being a fan of a small market team (Pirates) there is a lot more pressing issues in MLB than the playoff format. Trust me, I'm a traditionalist....I was mad when they renamed the hockey divisions from Smythe and Patrick...to East and West.

I'm bitter at the game, but for different reasons. If they want to make it the league of 100 million dollar payrolls, then just eliminate teams that can't compete...sorry but revenue sharing isn't working. I'm sick and tired of developing players only to have them sold to the higher bidders, I miss the days when players had loyaltly to teams that took a chance on them. I'm only 32 to boot.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

O-
I understand where you're coming from. But being a fan of a small market team (Pirates) there is a lot more pressing issues in MLB than the playoff format. Trust me, I'm a traditionalist....I was mad when they renamed the hockey divisions from Smythe and Patrick...to East and West.

I'm bitter at the game, but for different reasons. If they want to make it the league of 100 million dollar payrolls, then just eliminate teams that can't compete...sorry but revenue sharing isn't working. I'm sick and tired of developing players only to have them sold to the higher bidders, I miss the days when players had loyaltly to teams that took a chance on them. I'm only 32 to boot.

They need a better system of revenue sharing coupled with a salary floor. It is the lack of a salary floor that is killing the league. Teams are collecting $30 million in revenue sharing and then putting together teams with $23 million payrolls. Their team goes 50-112 and the owner still profits. Meanwhile the teams that are putting together $100 million payrolls to try and compete with the big money teams are forced to pay revenue sharing and the owners are taking a huge hit financially to try and field a competitive team. If a salary cap can never be agreed on then tax the crap out of teams that exceed $120 million like they currently are, but don't allow teams to receive revenue sharing unless they are putting it into player contracts.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

O-
I understand where you're coming from. But being a fan of a small market team (Pirates) there is a lot more pressing issues in MLB than the playoff format. Trust me, I'm a traditionalist....I was mad when they renamed the hockey divisions from Smythe and Patrick...to East and West.

I'm bitter at the game, but for different reasons. If they want to make it the league of 100 million dollar payrolls, then just eliminate teams that can't compete...sorry but revenue sharing isn't working. I'm sick and tired of developing players only to have them sold to the higher bidders, I miss the days when players had loyaltly to teams that took a chance on them. I'm only 32 to boot.

Here is an interesting article on the subject. For teams like the Pirates it is more profitable to be a terrible team then to field a competitive team.

http://www.mikesmets.com/2006/05/why...ing_conce.html

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Here is an interesting article on the subject. For teams like the Pirates it is more profitable to be a terrible team then to field a competitive team.

http://www.mikesmets.com/2006/05/why...ing_conce.html

good stuff, thanks.

[Crown@club]

I guess interleague records don't mean anything?

I don't but that bullschit about the 5-game wild card knocking out the best teams. If they were the best then they should have no problem beating the opponent.

Usually this argument comes from Yankees fans. Really they should just stfu until spring training. The reason why the Yankees lost is because they overpaid for hitting and neglected pitching outside of overpaying for a washed up Randy Johnson.

I hate to break it to Yankees fans but they're not winning next year either. Cashman should've been schitcanned years ago.

The cards are the best team in baseball. They're banged up and still winning.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I don't but that bullschit about the 5-game wild card knocking out the best teams. If they were the best then they should have no problem beating the opponent.

well that was sort of my point in another thread, I didn't hear anyone crying for the Cards last year when they had the best record in baseball and got knocked out by the wildcard 'Stros....

Originally Posted by dr. fager

well that was sort of my point in another thread, I didn't hear anyone crying for the Cards last year when they had the best record in baseball and got knocked out by the wildcard 'Stros....

Well Yankees fans won't be satisfied until they can buy the World Series. Then it'll be fair.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Oracle,the problem with what you say about the Cards (having a poor record compared to others) is that you assume they could only have done as well as they did.I don't believe that.It is a veteran team that had trouble getting the fire going.The facts are that they knew what they had to do to get into the playoffs (as the winner of their division.)If you passed new rules forcing them to win more games in the regular season,then they would probably do what was required of them.You keep repeating that the best teams in baseball are those that have the most wins in the regular season.Well,the regular season is much different than the post-season.You should know that better than anyone else(because the Yanks usually have very little trouble making the post,but have been unsuccessful there lately.)There is a very good reason for that.The post is dominated by good pitching,and the regular season favors teams with the best hitting(Mets,and Yanks...hello.) I told you all season that the Yanks were gunna hit the hardwall come the postseason.I wasn't just talking smack or something.The pitching on the Yanks(at the moment) is not good enough to stop teams in the post.Their pitching works good enough to get ninety some odd wins in the regular season(where they get to unleash their hitters on bad pitchers......pitchers who are not around to beat up on in the post.) Obviously,if the best team in baseball was the one with the most regular season wins,then they would dominate other playoff teams.They don't,and that is because the teams that win the most games in the regular season don't play just playoff teams(they are facing a bunch of average/bad teams as well.)See,what is the Cards specialty,or best asset? Good arms? Well,good arms aren't gunna be good all season.Good bats often can be good for 162 games.Again,I say that the long 162 game regular season favors the big hitting teams.Look at the Dodgers and the Padres.The Dodgers don't have anywhere near their pitching staff,but the 2 teams had the exact same # of wins(again the regular season favors teams that can hit poor pitching..i.e. the Dodgers beat up on Colorado,and the Giants in the last week of the season.)Dodgers were quickly beaten in the post because their pitching is not appropriate for the post(it was,however, adequate enough to tie for a division in the regular season.)

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Usually this argument comes from Yankees fans. Really they should just stfu until spring training. The reason why the Yankees lost is because they overpaid for hitting and neglected pitching outside of overpaying for a washed up Randy Johnson.

Come on, give them more credit than that. They also overpaid for Mussina, Pavano, and Jaret Wright.