9/17-18 (BEL): Garden City S. (G1); Noble Damsel S. (G3)

[Kasept]

9th (5:18) Garden City S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 More Than Real Nakatani C S 120 L
2 Salary Drive Bravo J 116 L
3 Hungry Island Solis A 120 L
4 Winter Memories Castellano J J 123 L
5 Arch Support Cohen D 116 L
6 Kathmanblu Lezcano J 118 L
7 Theyskens' Theory Gomez G K 118 L
8 Pinch Pie Rose J 116 L
MTO Draw It Rose J 116 L

[OldDog]

A nice group!

[ateamstupid]

Theyskens' Theory sighting. Strong field.

[Kasept]

SUNDAY 6th (3:40) Queen Tutta S.

7 Furlongs (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $60,000

1 Button Girl Velasquez C 118 L
2 Decennial Dominguez R A 118 L
3 In Step Lezcano J 118 L
4 Mount Holiday Solis A 118 L
5 Shatoosh Bravo J 118 L
6 Dontbeshy I'll Buy Cruz M R 118 L
7 Cascadilla Falls Desormeaux K J 122 L
8 Smartys Emperoress Sanchez J 118 L
9 Cofachiqui Cohen D 118 L
10 Palooza Castro E 118 L



SUNDAY 9th (5:18) Noble Damsel S. (G3)

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Twilight Memory Sanchez J 116 L
2 Aviate (GB) Desormeaux K J 123 L
3 Thai Haku (IRE) Lezcano J 116 FTL
4 Aquitaine Bravo J 116 L
5 Unbridled Humor Dominguez R A 116 L
6 Sea Road Velasquez C 116 L
7 Spring Party Cruz M R 116 L
MTO Rihanna (PER) Bravo J 118 L
MTO Kid Kate Lezcano J 120 L
MTO Dynazaper Bravo J 118 L
MTO Hit It Rich Bravo J 118 L

A-Coupled: Twilight Memory and Spring Party

[Betsy]

I don't get why Theyskens' Theory shipped all the way over here to run against Winter Memories. I've followed her races in England and she can barely get a mile, nevermind a mile and an eighth. She's not a BC horse, so unless Andrew Rosen intends to keep her here, I don't get the move. She would have been better off running at a distance she likes against older fillies ...next week in the Sun Chariot.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I don't get why Theyskens' Theory shipped all the way over here to run against Winter Memories. I've followed her races in England and she can barely get a mile, nevermind a mile and an eighth. She's not a BC horse, so unless Andrew Rosen intends to keep her here, I don't get the move. She would have been better off running at a distance she likes against older fillies ...next week in the Sun Chariot.

since it's obvious that you know more than the trainers, maybe you should open a consulting firm where the trainers ask you where they should run next. big money in that, GL

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by robfla

since it's obvious that you know more than the trainers, maybe you should open a consulting firm where the trainers ask you where they should run next. big money in that, GL

What the heck is your problem? We have to agree with trainers all the time? If you are a fan of a baseball or football team, I'm absolutely sure you agree with the manager 100% of the time.........right?

Do you get your back up like this all the time?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by robfla

since it's obvious that you know more than the trainers, maybe you should open a consulting firm where the trainers ask you where they should run next. big money in that, GL

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Betsy

What the heck is your problem? We have to agree with trainers all the time? If you are a fan of a baseball or football team, I'm absolutely sure you agree with the manager 100% of the time.........right?

Do you get your back up like this all the time?

no... but you NEVER agree
smd

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by robfla

no... but you NEVER agree
smd

Well excuse me, but why don't you tell me why this is a good move for the filly ? Are you familiar with her at all?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Well excuse me, but why don't you tell me why this is a good move for the filly ? Are you familiar with her at all?

I dunno why I bother, since your shtick is always the same.

She's clearly not good enough to tackle top fillies and mares in Europe. Her ceiling is Group 3's and listed stakes. My guess is that doesn't turn them on. Why not go after a Grade 1 against American turf horses? I'm as big of a Winter Memories fan as anyone, but she's not unbeatable. Secondly, running a mile on some of those boggy European turf courses is pretty comparable to running nine furlongs on a firm American course. She's far from hopeless in this spot.

You honestly think she would be better placed in the Sun Chariot?

[Seattleallstar]

wow on Winter Memories

[mbahadur]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

wow on Winter Memories

Outstanding turn of foot. Exploded from last to first in the last 50 yards. Patient ride by Castellano (thought she was totally blocked and had no chance approaching the last sixteenth).

I wonder if there was an Isolation video of James Toner during the race

[mbahadur]

Tom Durkin: "it was a grey blur in the stretch"

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I dunno why I bother, since your shtick is always the same.

She's clearly not good enough to tackle top fillies and mares in Europe. Her ceiling is Group 3's and listed stakes. My guess is that doesn't turn them on. Why not go after a Grade 1 against American turf horses? I'm as big of a Winter Memories fan as anyone, but she's not unbeatable. Secondly, running a mile on some of those boggy European turf courses is pretty comparable to running nine furlongs on a firm American course. She's far from hopeless in this spot.

You honestly think she would be better placed in the Sun Chariot?

And you are always rude, so I have no idea why I am responding to you. I'm sure you followed her races in Europe and have a clue about how good she is or isn't, right?. I love how you try to "guess" when you could have taken the time to read any quote from Brian Meehan about her. If you had taken the time, then maybe you'd see that he is extremely high on her, but you didn't take the time.......and this is his most recent quote about her.

Theyskens' Theory: She deserves to win a Group 1 and she should relish the fast ground that has been forecast. She did well to win her listed race at Sandown last month and this has been the plan ever since. It is such a shame the ground went against her at Royal Ascot as she would have gone very close on a quicker surface. She looked magnificent before she left for America, she is a genuine Group 1 filly, and although this is obviously a hot race (she faces the 1-2-3 from last year's Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf), I would be very hopeful she would be involved in the finish.
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Yes, it sounds like Meehan thinks her ceiling is as low as you apparently do. Do I need to explain to you that he clearly thinks she's good enough to compete against the best in Europe?

[Dahoss]

A trainer high on a horse? I'm shocked.

What is supposed to say?

[hockey2315]

Did you seriously post that after this?

Originally Posted by Betsy

I don't get why Theyskens' Theory shipped all the way over here to run against Winter Memories. I've followed her races in England and she can barely get a mile, nevermind a mile and an eighth. She's not a BC horse, so unless Andrew Rosen intends to keep her here, I don't get the move. She would have been better off running at a distance she likes against older fillies ...next week in the Sun Chariot.

[ateamstupid]

And as always, you're dead god damn wrong about a horse's placing and she ran a great race. The quote basically says what I said. They wanted to get her a Group/Grade 1 and thought this was the best spot to do so. Which she almost did, so I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you had to do to come away from this thread feeling like you're the one who's vindicated.

[GPK]

Just watched the replay. Holy sh*t. What a horse. I love that girl.