A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable

What will be your excuse if Walker ends up charged with a crime during the John Doe investigation? That it's all a Democratic plot?

What is your explanation for Walker not correcting the massive budget deficit he inherited? What is the excuse for his own budget being 140 million in the hole? What is the excuse for 7 straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, 49th in the nation?

What you pretend to want for Wisconsin, and what you actually support, are opposites. If a Democratic Gov. was currently doing the above, your head would be exploding, and you know it. If you were truly impartial for your wishes for Wisconsin, you'd acknowledge the above has happened, rather than try and deny and justify it.

BTW - Paul Ryan's federal budget plan would add trillions to our debt. And that's not a "democratic" nor a "repub**lican" opinion, it's just fact.

You should look in the mirror. Still waiting for my mining link

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You should look in the mirror. Still waiting for my mining link

As I said posts ago, you'll be holding your breath a long time as long as you're too lazy to check out the CEO's press conference.

Gov. Walker is none of what you say you want. He is, however, the opposite:

No correction to WI inherited budget deficit.
Own budget $140 million in deficit.
Taking money from housing settlement citizens.
Union-busting in face of massive concessions.
GOP redistricting ordered by judge to stop as illegally done.
Used taxpayer money to pay for GOP-only lawyers for redistricting.
Nearly entire former office convicted of felonies/misdemeanors for election fraud, embezzlement.
Governor himself under investigation for same, now has defense fund.
Seven straight months of job loss, 49th in country.

It's pretty obvious which side needs to look in the mirror.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

As I said posts ago, you'll be holding your breath a long time as long as you're too lazy to check out the CEO's press conference.

Gov. Walker is none of what you say you want. He is, however, the opposite:

No correction to WI inherited budget deficit.
Own budget $140 million in deficit.
Taking money from housing settlement citizens.
Union-busting in face of massive concessions.
GOP redistricting ordered by judge to stop as illegally done.
Used taxpayer money to pay for GOP-only lawyers for redistricting.
Nearly entire former office convicted of felonies/misdemeanors for election fraud, embezzlement.
Governor himself under investigation for same, now has defense fund.
Seven straight months of job loss, 49th in country.

It's pretty obvious which side needs to look in the mirror.

No political hate coming from you. Most of the above is untrue but I am not going to waste my time proving this to you since you don't listen to facts any way.

Have you ever thought to yourself that a politician sounds great and makes all of these promises when he/she campaigns and then when he/she gets into office they fall into line and nothing changes. Walker made some tough hard stands that not every one likes but at least he made a stand unlike 99% of politicians.

I have one question for you since you have family that live in WI. Do you have any family members in the state of WI that work in public service in the state of WI? (i.e.- government, county, state, public education, etc?)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I have one question for you since you have family that live in WI. Do you have any family members in the state of WI that work in public service in the state of WI? (i.e.- government, county, state, public education, etc?)

They're make believe anyway, just like the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor living in her neighborhood.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No political hate coming from you. Most of the above is untrue but I am not going to waste my time proving this to you since you don't listen to facts any way.

You're right: some in Walkers office have only been charged, not yet convicted, of felonies and misdemeanors for election fraud and embezzlement.

And listing the facts involving Walker's disastrous term of governorship so far isn't "hate". That's absurd.

Have you ever thought to yourself that a politician sounds great and makes all of these promises when he/she campaigns and then when he/she gets into office they fall into line and nothing changes. Walker made some tough hard stands that not every one likes but at least he made a stand unlike 99% of politicians.

What is the point of taking a "tough hard stand" in overwhelming opposition to what your states citizens want?

Walker hasn't corrected any inherited budget deficit. Walker's own budget is $140 million in the hole. He hasn't "balanced" anything. Wisconsin is 49% in the nation in job creation, it's had months of straight job loss. It's a disaster.

And he, and his Republican state legislature, are the leaders of that. And that is why they are undergoing a historic recall. The citizens are not happy with their stewardship. That has nothing to do with "hate".

I have one question for you since you have family that live in WI. Do you have any family members in the state of WI that work in public service in the state of WI? (i.e.- government, county, state, public education, etc?)

Nope. You?

LOL - you and your prejudices! That's sad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

They're make believe anyway, just like the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor living in her neighborhood.

Don't drink and post. You look stupid lying about what people have said.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What is the point of taking a "tough hard stand" in overwhelming opposition to what your states citizens want?

Walker hasn't corrected any inherited budget deficit. Walker's own budget is $140 million in the hole. He hasn't "balanced" anything. Wisconsin is 49% in the nation in job creation, it's had months of straight job loss. It's a disaster.

And he, and his Republican state legislature, are the leaders.



Nope. You?

LOL - you and your prejudices! That's sad.

Walker's approval rating is better than Obama's so what does that tell you. I believe he beats Obama by 10+ points so I guess if you actually believed that this you would be fighting what Obama is doing

Unemployment is at the lowest level WI has seen in the last 4 years. Remember Job creation doesn't happen overnight and it definitely doesn't happen when the democrats fight everything you try to do in court to create jobs. You can't yell about jobs when your side is out there fighting companies that want to bring jobs to the state.

Yes I have plenty of family members and relatives that work in public service in WI. I have even more friends many whom are employed by the City or County of Milwaukee. Many of them are not happy about some of the changes Walker has brought, but understand why things needed to change. Nobody is ever happy when things are taken from them. A lot of them are not very happy with their own union and how things were handled by their union after Walker's changes

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Walker's approval rating is better than Obama's so what does that tell you. I believe he beats Obama by 10+ points so I guess if you actually believed that this you would be fighting what Obama is doing

You think politicians should be supported by people based upon peer pressure from other citizens? That if other people think a politician is popular, you should support him, too? That's crazy!

You don't really think like that, do you?

Walker isn't running against President Obama. Walker is trying to run his state. Walkers approval ratings compared to other governors of other states doesn't even matter. All that matters is what Walker's citizens think of his performance.

And enough of them are upset with his poor performance, that he's undergoing a recall election, along with four more State legislators, and the Lt. Governor.

Now, they may all win, they may all lose, it may be split, but that's the fact of it.

Unemployment is at the lowest level WI has seen in the last 4 years. Remember Job creation doesn't happen overnight and it definitely doesn't happen when the democrats fight everything you try to do in court to create jobs. You can't yell about jobs when your side is out there fighting companies that want to bring jobs to the state.

Wisconsin is 49th in job creation, seven straight months of job losses. Yes, one can yell about that.

I wish you'd stop with the "your side" stuff. This isn't South American soccer.

Yes indeed: many people have concerns about removing regulations that protect the environment; and do not support "job creation" at any environmental cost.

Yes I have plenty of family members and relatives that work in public service in WI. I have even more friends many whom are employed by the City or County of Milwaukee. Many of them are not happy about some of the changes Walker has brought, but understand why things needed to change. Nobody is ever happy when things are taken from them. A lot of them are not very happy with their own union and how things were handled by their union after Walker's changes

And they are free to vote in the recall elections.

Walker asked for massive concessions from the unions, to help with budgeting, and the unions gave those concessions to him right away, and willingly.

So Walker continuing on to bust the unions, for no reason, to remove their rights as workers, in a state with a long history of strong unions and a strong middle class formed from unions, was abhorrent to them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Don't drink and post. You look stupid lying about what people have said.

So you finally admit the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor, the basis for your posts, were made up?

I'll drink to that in about 2 hours.

How about your dead veteran anscestors support of building a NYC mosque? Coming clean about that at the same time?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So you finally admit the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor, the basis for your posts, were made up?

No, you moronic idiot. You're a joke. And a rather sad one.

What I actually said is yes, I worked with several women Muslim grade students at the University of Illinois-Urbana in the Veterinary Research Department. And yeah, we talked about cultural issues, including arranged marriages.

And yes, when I was a paramedic in the late 1970's, early 1980's, I got to met several elderly holocaust survivors. Have you ever been to Skokie? The northwest side of Chicago? Evanston? I was very glad to have that opportunity to talk with them.

How about your dead veteran anscestors support of building a NYC mosque? Coming clean about that at the same time?

Sorry, you've apparently confused me with another one of your delusions. Is that like your other babblings?

They're make believe anyway, just like the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor living in her neighborhood.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, you moronic idiot. You're a joke. And a rather sad one.
Sorry, you've apparently confused me with another one of your delusions. Is that like your other babblings?

That's not nice..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

That's not nice..

LOL. You are right.

I'll bet your kids were well-behaved with that parental tactic when they were two?

[Riot]

Poor Governor Scott Walker. He just can't win. Turns out his stint as Milwaukee County Executive, aside from being the current subject of an FBI John Doe investigation that has resulted in multiple felony and misdemeanor charges against his office aides, and has the Governor retaining two defense lawyers and starting up a legal defense fund .... well, now it turns out he did some things he couldn't back as County Executive and is now costing the country millions.

So guess what? Due to Walker's mistakes, you're not only broke now, Milwaukee County - you are so in debt you'll have to do massive layoffs.

Yikes.

Yeah. I think this guy will be recalled. He's simply incompetent. And too expensive to be in power. What other secret lawsuits are pending due to Walker's incompetence and disregard of the law?

It's clear why Walker wanted to remove union rights from employees - it's so he can screw them with impunity. Well, this judge says you can't, Walker. So pay back the millions you have now cost Milwaukee County through your illegal treatment of union employees.

A judge has upheld a ruling ordering Milwaukee County to pay about 1,800 former union employees back pay for the more than four weeks of unpaid furloughs - time they didn't work - imposed as an emergency measure in 2010 by then-County Executive Scott Walker.

The cost, including mandatory interest charges, was estimated Monday at $6 million by a county official and as much as $9 million by a union leader.

Though the county and the union - District Council 48 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees - have been far apart on furloughs and other issues, they both agreed the sum was enormous.

The actual figure for the cut in pay due to what an arbitrator and the courts decided were excessive furloughs came to about $4 million. Compound interest required under state law and calculated on the base amount ballooned the debt greatly.

"We're talking major money," said Richard Abelson, executive director of the union.

Supervisor Joe Sanfelippo, chairman of the County Board's Personnel Committee, said the amount is so steep that if the county were forced to pay it would likely result in layoffs.

"Where is the money going to come from to cover this?" he said. The county, facing a tight budget for 2012, put only $1.5 million in a reserve fund that's likely to have other demands, as well.

Sanfelippo favors having the county appeal the decision further. The board's Judiciary Committee will hold a special meeting Wednesday to discuss a possible appeal. The issue goes to the full board Thursday.

In early 2010, Walker issued an executive order requiring a large portion of the county workforce to take unpaid furloughs, saying the county budget otherwise could end the year in the red. Employees were required to take up to 26 furlough days. The union said the action violated its collective bargaining agreement.

The Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission ruled in favor of the union workers last May, saying the county should have limited furloughs to a little more than a week's pay. The back pay would cover the portion of furloughs that exceeded 45 hours per worker. That's about 160,000 uncompensated hours, according to a county estimate.

The ruling also would allow for recalculation of pensions of some workers who have since retired, though any pension boost related to restoring furloughed time would likely be slight.

Judge William Sosnay upheld the commission finding in a ruling dated Feb. 27 that hasn't yet been publicly discussed.

The imposition of the furloughs violated the county's duty to bargain in good faith, according to Sosnay's ruling.

When Walker ordered the furloughs, the county faced a projected $15 million deficit for 2010. The county, however, ended the year with a surplus.

Furloughs weren't Walker's first choice as a budget balancer. He initially imposed a 35-hour workweek, but then abandoned that idea in favor of furloughs.

Sosnay sided with the county on another contested union issue by disagreeing with the union and the commission's finding that a tentative contract agreement for some 3,500 county union workers should be resubmitted for approval. The union had argued that the County Board reversed itself on a contract renewal offer.

The District Council 48 workers lost their union representation effective Jan. 31 as a result of Act 10, the state budget-repair bill advanced by Gov. Walker that rolls back most collective bargaining for most public employees.

"The parties cannot revert to the law as it existed in 2010, as the Wisconsin Legislature did not allow for such exceptions in drafting Act 10," Sosnay said in his ruling.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwauk...142398045.html

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, you moronic idiot. You're a joke. And a rather sad one.

What I actually said is yes, I worked with several women Muslim grade students at the University of Illinois-Urbana in the Veterinary Research Department. And yeah, we talked about cultural issues, including arranged marriages.

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds? Just wondering?

Have you ever been to Skokie? The northwest side of Chicago? Evanston? I was very glad to have that opportunity to talk with them.

I lived in Evanston at one time and grew up with kids who had holocaust surviving grandparents (a lot from Skokie and a lot of them) so fall off that pretentious high horse your on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds? Just wondering?

I lived in Evanston at one time and grew up with kids who had holocaust surviving grandparents (a lot from Skokie and a lot of them) so fall off that pretentious high horse your on.

Not on a high horse. Just pointing out that you calling me a liar about my having meet holocaust victims in my life, and knowing Muslim grad students, is simply you lying. I accept your apology for lying.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not on a high horse. Just pointing out that you calling me a liar about my having meet holocaust victims in my life, and knowing Muslim grad students, is simply you lying. I accept your apology for lying.

Still curious......Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Still curious......Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

Again. I accept your apology for deliberately lying about what I have said.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Again. I accept your apology for deliberately lying about what I have said.

Great

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

and more or less?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

You really seem to have a mental problem, with your overactive stalker-like interest in what I have posted on this site over the years.

There are archives. Just sit in front of your computer and read them, if what I have said in the past matters so very much to you. I find you creepy.