What did we learn...Pre BC?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

Going into the race I was more concerned that the connections decided to skip the Woodward with Cross Traffic. Why skip a race, over a surface you had just won at, if he was doing good?

Bad start and all, I think there is some merit to how cold he was on the board being a possible indication that he was not going to put forth his best.

They took 3 months off between an excellent Met Mile and won the Whitney, giving this particular horse time between races has worked well.

Why waste the time trying to read between the lines when the horse didn't even get a fair chance to run his best? I will be more concerned on whether he will hold up to the pace pressure he will meet in the BCC than any idea that he was over the top because the 3 year olds took more money.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

10 I believe.

Saint Liam broke from the 12.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Saint Liam broke from the 12.

Yeah I think Tiznow was 10, they were all double digits I believe which was Andy's point.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yeah I think Tiznow was 10, they were all double digits I believe which was Andy's point.

Of course it was.

[freddymo]

Another one have thoughts on Cross Traffic being bred to Dreaming of Julia..lol

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

They took 3 months off between an excellent Met Mile and won the Whitney, giving this particular horse time between races has worked well.

Why waste the time trying to read between the lines when the horse didn't even get a fair chance to run his best? I will be more concerned on whether he will hold up to the pace pressure he will meet in the BCC than any idea that he was over the top because the 3 year olds took more money.

The time off between the Met Mile and Whitney was planned. He didn't even make it back to the track to work for almost a full month after the Met Mile. The decision to skip the Woodward was a last minute decision. There is a difference.

[Alabama Stakes]

the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC

I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

[Calzone Lord]

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

Would love to hear a possible explanation from Glen Kozak. More specifically, a technical discussion to help people understand the nuances of track maintenance.

[randallscott35]

You mean Monarchos wouldn't have won every Derby but Secretariat's? I'm crushed....time only matters in prison boys and girls.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Would love to hear a possible explanation from Glen Kozak. More specifically, a technical discussion to help people understand the nuances of track maintenance.

I assume this was meant as a nonsequitur?

[GenuineRisk]

Jay Cronley's column about his handicapping on the Gold Cup was entertaining reading:

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...988/we-execute

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I assume this was meant as a nonsequitur?

Absolutely not.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Absolutely not.

But it is one.

[cmorioles]

I saw those comments on Twitter and was literally laughing out loud. I knew it would be a topic of discussion here.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

Not only that, it often changes between races, particularly when a few turf races are thrown in between. Assuming the JCGC track speed was the same as the other dirt races is a pretty big leap.