2013-2014 NBA Season

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I would rate the 2's like this. And Im talking right now today. Harden, Wade, Kobe. Thats assuming Curry and Westbrook are 1's, even though they are the definition of combo guards.

I'd take DeRozan instead of street clothes Kobe

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Where did I say that CHuckles?
I think Wade is the 3rd best 2 guard of all time.
I also think he could have gone to Europe and had a Kobe style procedure on his knees two summers ago. The thing is this, the Wade of even last years playoffs is still a top 3 2 guard in the NBA right now. But how often do we get that Wade? If he is milking it now and will be fine for the playoffs Im good with that. But recent Lebron comments makes me wonder if he is not more injured then even teamates believed. I would rate the 2's like this. And Im talking right now today. Harden, Wade, Kobe. Thats assuming Curry and Westbrook are 1's, even though they are the definition of combo guards.

The Wade of last years playoffs was not as good as he has been this year when he has played. It was a short price that they'd be resting him more this season after last years issues. However who knows if he is going to hold up for 7 weeks of playoffs?

Kobe was pretty horrible during his brief return. Small sample size and yeah he is coming off of a major injury but he looked bad and then got hurt again and is going to miss his expected return date possibly by a month.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

They dont have a prayer come playoff time. With or without him.
I have updated my legit West Championship contenders. No longer 6 legit contenders.
In order....
OKC
Golden St
Houston
Clippers
Portland

You realize that the playoffs dont start till April right?
San Antonio is easily one of the favorites

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

I'd take DeRozan instead of street clothes Kobe

I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

Not tonight you wouldn't lol. The Grizzlies are giving the Blazers a beat down.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You realize that the playoffs dont start till April right?
San Antonio is easily one of the favorites

No they are not. Last year there was a perfect storm of things w/ Westbrook being hurt and Golden St just getting good. Now this year you also add very good Houston and Portland. San Antonio has no prayer of coming out of the West.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

lolol....
I guess I would take Thompson right now. No one else from your list. Your funny Chuck, Im a Kobe hater but pre injury he was 27 a game. About a month back when I said Wade is right with Kobe as far as an all timer you jumped on me. Even though Wade is around 26 a game for his career.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

No they are not. Last year there was a perfect storm of things w/ Westbrook being hurt and Golden St just getting good. Now this year you also add very good Houston and Portland. San Antonio has no prayer of coming out of the West.

Lets see they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobelli and Leonard and the best coach in the game...AND they are 33-12 despite resting key players and injury issues...

Yeah they have no chance...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

lolol....
I guess I would take Thompson right now. No one else from your list. Your funny Chuck, Im a Kobe hater but pre injury he was 27 a game. About a month back when I said Wade is right with Kobe as far as an all timer you jumped on me. Even though Wade is around 26 a game for his career.

Kobe looked finished last I saw him. No legs. He is old and coming off a major injury and has a million miles on his legs already.

You do realize that there is more to the game than just points right?
Kobe is the 2nd best SG though you could easily make the case that Jerry West could be 2nd. Wade is 4th especially if he is going to be a 75% player from now on.

Those guys are all better players than Kobe right now until proven differently.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Kobe looked finished last I saw him. No legs. He is old and coming off a major injury and has a million miles on his legs already.

You do realize that there is more to the game than just points right?
Kobe is the 2nd best SG though you could easily make the case that Jerry West could be 2nd. Wade is 4th especially if he is going to be a 75% player from now on.

Those guys are all better players than Kobe right now until proven differently.

You asking me if I realize there is more to basketball then just points? Your boy plays no defense and does nothing else even well, other then score. He just had 62 points with 0 assists. Its impossible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You asking me if I realize there is more to basketball then just points? Your boy plays no defense and does nothing else even well, other then score. He just had 62 points with 0 assists. Its impossible.

What does Anthony have to do with this conversation? You realize that only idiots would dwell on the fact that a guy with 62 points had zero assists right? That in order to get an assist your teammates have to make a basket when you pass it to them?

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan and am well aware of his positives, negatives, strengths and limitations. I'm not 100% convinced that they would be better off starting over from scratch. But this ridiculous notion that he isnt one of the ten best players in the world or "cant win" is misguided at best and asinine at worst.

Carmelo Anthony defending the post is like Bill Russell compared to Harden defending pretty much anything.

[asudevil]

Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does Anthony have to do with this conversation? You realize that only idiots would dwell on the fact that a guy with 62 points had zero assists right? That in order to get an assist your teammates have to make a basket when you pass it to them?

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan and am well aware of his positives, negatives, strengths and limitations. I'm not 100% convinced that they would be better off starting over from scratch. But this ridiculous notion that he isnt one of the ten best players in the world or "cant win" is misguided at best and asinine at worst.

Carmelo Anthony defending the post is like Bill Russell compared to Harden defending pretty much anything.

I don’t think its ridiculous at all saying Melo isn’t a top 10 player. Not at all. And he has won nothing in the NBA, so Im not sure why you continuing make this bad argument. Ill name 10 that are better than him today.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
Howard
Paul
Griffin
Aldridge
George
Love
That’s 11 that I take no questions asked.
Ill name a few more who are borderline.

Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward
Clearly Im saying all things considered. Age, money etc….

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

Agree. The guys a criminal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

I guess they recruit them saying that they get exposure and look at all the UK guys in the NBA and taken in the lottery.

The biggest nightmare for Calipari would be the NBA getting rid of the one and done rule and beefing up the D league as a real minor league.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I don’t think its ridiculous at all saying Melo isn’t a top 10 player. Not at all. And he has won nothing in the NBA, so Im not sure why you continuing make this bad argument. Ill name 10 that are better than him today.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
Howard
Paul
Griffin
Aldridge
George
Love
That’s 11 that I take no questions asked.
Ill name a few more who are borderline.

Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward
Clearly Im saying all things considered. Age, money etc….

This is a joke right?

Carmelo Anthony is averaging 27 points and 9 rebounds and 3 assists a game.

On 45% shooting, 42% on 3's.

Yeah Gordon Hayward is better...

[RockHardTen1985]

Melo will be 30 this year. He is a no defense gunner who no one really even wants anymore and rumor is La La is making the decisions in his family anyway.
Gordon is 23 and makes much less, so like I said all things considered, and Hayward was not on the 100% better list.

[Cannon Shell]

According to PG1985 and Skip Bayless logic:
havent won anything in the NBA
Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Howard
Griffin
Hardon
Aldridge
Love
George
Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward

or in other words your entire list outside of LeBron

has never won anything in the NBA

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ginobelli got hurt relatively early and didnt return as well

He got hurt in the 3rd quarter and left a little after that.

It was a great win for the Rockets, who were in dire need of a good effort after a terrible home and home with Memphis. To win without Harden, especially the way he had played thus far this year against SA, is even better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Melo will be 30 this year. He is a no defense gunner who no one really even wants anymore and rumor is La La is making the decisions in his family anyway.
Gordon is 23 and makes much less, so like I said all things considered, and Hayward was not on the 100% better list.

Anthony has scored 22 points more than Aldridch this season despite taking 60 fewer shots.

Gordon Hayward is averaging 11.5 points a game for his career. He is averaging 17 a game this year with a shooting % considerably worse than Anthony. You should slap yourself in the face for this comparison.