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Old 11-03-2016, 08:53 PM
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Default 11/4: Santa Anita ~ Breeders' Cup Friday ($40k C/O)

It's that time again.. The 'Breeders' Cup invocation'. These 2 days offer unique opportunities with chances to be rewarded for creative thinking and audacious risk-taking. Some will come away delighted and some maddeningly frustrated, but all should approach these races as the curious and challenging puzzles they've become. No matter how well you 'handicap' the races, fields this deep and mysterious will produce several nearly unforeseeable results. Remember that you could be taking an '0-fer' going into Saturday's finale and get it all back, and more, in the weekend's waning moments. But no matter how the ledger looks when it's over, appreciate that your ability as a horseplayer won't be defined over the course of 2 days. Spend as freely as you can afford, get a little lucky, and here's hoping that everyone nets something that fills their account and makes them proud.

For the 11th year in a row, it's been a pleasure bringing the Cup to everyone listening. I hope the 15 hours here and the time leading up offered each of you something you can convert into winning tickets. Thanks to Hammer & Santa Anita, Breeders' Cup, ATR sponsors, everyone who contributed so generously to the shows and most importantly, the listeners.. Best of luck this weekend!


SANTA ANITA


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1st: OC/N1X, 3+, 7f (P5, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #8 Distinctive B 7-2 2nd
Best Value: #6 Ten Blessings 6-1 WON ($8.40)
Next Best: #5 Blameitonthelaw 5-1 4th
Exotics Use: #9 Westbrook 12-1 9th


2nd: OC/N1X, 3+, 6.5f-T (P3, DD)

Most Likely: #3 Watch This Cat 5-2 WON ($3.60)
Best Value: #10 Sturdy One 12-1 6th
Next Best: #2 Mysterious Miracle 10-1 11th
Exotics Use: #7 My Palmilla 6-1 12th


3rd: 9th Marathon S. (G2), 3+, 14f (P4, P3, DD)

Walsh came here with Cary Street and won and Scuba looks a lot like him though I'll use 5 (including Blue Tone) of them to be safe..

Most Likely: #1 Scuba 5-2 WON ($6.00)
Next Best: #4 Melmich 2-1 4th
Best Value: #5 Tale of Verve 12-1 7th
Exotics Use: #8 Hard Aces 4-1 2nd


4th: 6th Damascus, 3+, 7f (P6, P3, DD)

$40k P6 C/O starts here..

Great to see Prospect Park back..

Most Likely: #8 Prospect Park 5-2 5th
Next Best: #3 Jazzy Times 6-5 2nd
Best Value: #5 Silent Bird 8-1 WON ($9.40)
Exotics Use: #9 Navy Hymm 6-1 3rd


5th: 4th Golden State Juvenile Fillies-R, 2yo-F, 7f (P3, DD)

Most Likely: #8 Vai 7-2 7th
Best Value: #9 My Pi Romancer 10-1 4th
Next Best: #11 Ms Wakaya 8-1 2nd
Exotics Use: #10 How About Zero 8-1 WON ($22.60)


P5 Grid:

1: 8 (A), - (B), 5-6-9 (C)
2: 3-10 (A), 2-7-12 (B), 11 (C)
3: 1-4-5-8-9 (A), - (B), - (C)
4: 8 (A), 3-5 (B), 9 (C)
5: 8-9 (A), - (B), 10-11 (C)

Simple (A+B): 1x5x5x3x2 = 150 x .50 = $75
All A's: 1x2x5x1x2 = $20 ($10 for .50)


6th: 10th BC Juvenile Turf (G1), 2yo, 1m-T (P4, P3, DD)

Good Samaritan & Oscar Performance (full brother Oscar Nominated runs in the Twilight Derby) are the horses to beat but out-postings and favoritism open the door for a sharp local in Yakteen's Big Score. O'Brien & Ryan Moore offer Intelligence Cross and Chad Brown is to be feared moving Favorable Outcome to the lawn. "C" types include Channel Maker from Toronto's Danny Vella, O'Brien's other player Lancaster Bomber and Rivelli's Wellabled who has been fast on synthetic..

Best Value: #6 Big Score 8-1 5th
Next Best: #11 Good Samaritan 9-2 3rd
Exotics Use: #13 Oscar Performance 4-1 WON ($15.20)
Super Add: #8 Intelligence Cross 6-1 9th
Must Include: #4 Favorable Outcome 15-1 9th


P4 Grid:

3: 1-4 (A), 5-8-9 (B), 2-3 (C)
4: 3-8 (A), 5 (B), 9 (C)
5: 8-9 (A), - (B), 10-11 (C)
6: 6-11-13 (A), 4-8 (B), 1-3-9 (C)

Simple (A+B): 5x3x2x5 = 150 x .50 = $75
All A's: 2x2x2x3 = $24 ($12 for .50)


7th: 10th BC Dirt Mile (G1), 3+, 1m (P4, P3, DD)

Came to California expecting to lean heavily on Dortmund, but improved look of Runhappy and presence of high quality Vyjack and Gun Runner have me casting a wider net. This will end up being a better race than anyone expected..

Most Likely: #3 Dortmund 6-5 4th
Next Best: #9 Gun Runner 9-2 2nd
Best Value: #1 Vyjack 10-1 7th
Exotics Use: #7 Runhappy 3-1 8th


8th: 10 BC Juvenile Filly Turf (G1), 2yo-F, 1m-T (P3, DD)

This group appears deep and contentious, yet I want to try to tiptoe through it with a narrow focus. La Coronel has been impressive as a young horse can be and a cozier draw would have her in bold type for many. Think you have to be confident in Geroux doing what Moore did last year with Hit It a Bomb which will leave you open to more possibilities in races others are going narrow. I'll add Rymska (20-1) who will be a rare Chad Brown bonus mutuel and has looked terrific preparing for this..

Most Likely: #14 La Coronel 9-2 6th
Best Value: #11 Rymska 20-1 5th
Next Best: #3 New Money Honey 10-1 WON ($15.00)
Exotics Use: #9 Cavale Doree 15-1 3rd
Super Add: #13 Roly Poly 4-1 9th


9th: 33rd BC Distaff (G1) F&M-3+, 9f (DD, DIS-CLS DBL, Hi-5)

Have found it difficult to warm to a specific scenario for this titanic tilt given so many plausible, and a couple implausible, results. Songbird may simply break sharp and prove out as a unique brand of horse, but she'll need to turn back a series of bona fide fillies and mares to do so. Beholder has not 'lost a step' based on performance figures and perhaps getting back to a stalking trip makes the difference. With Spendthrift losing Lord Nelson as a Cup participant, a win by Beholder in her final appearance would fit a charming script. But in the final analysis, both Songbird and Beholder appear vulnerable late to the carefully orchestrated Stellar Wind who wins this with a repeat of her Zenyatta effort last month. Using the top trio in multi race wagers probably gets everyone through, but alternate endings with I'm a Chatterbox, Forever Unbridled and Curalina (all 12-1 on ML) are far from impossible upsetters. I'm a Chatterbox has quietly been running at the same level as the Big 3 and looks spectacular coming in to the feature, while Pletcher takes the same tact with Curalina as he did with '15 Distaff winner Stopchargingmaria. Forever Unbridled needs a career best here, but a breakneck pace is a distinct possibility and she can pick up the pieces of a meltdown. Hard to see this edition failing to live to the hype no matter what the outcome..

Best Value #5 Stellar Wind 5-2 4th
Next Best: #1 Songbird 6-5 2nd
Exotics Use: #8 Beholder 5-2 WON ($8.60)
Super Add: #6 Forever Unbridled 12-1 3rd
Hi-5 Play: #7 I'm a Chatterbox 12-1 5th


P6 Grid:

4: 3-8 (A), 5 (B), - (C)
5: 8 (A), - (B), 9-10-11 (C)
6: 6-11-13 (A), - (B), 4-8 (C)
7: 3-9 (A), - (B), 1-7 (C)
8: 14 (A), - (B), 2-3-4-9-11-13 (C)
9: 1-5 (A), 6-8 (B), 3-7 (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x1x3x2x1x4 = 72 x $2 = $144
All A's: 2x1x3x2x1x1 = 12 x $2 = $24


P4 Grid:

6: 6-11-13 (A), - (B), 1-3-4-8-9 (C)
7: 3-9 (A), 1-7 (B), 4-8 (C)
8: 11-14 (A), - (B), 2-3-4-9-13-16 (C)
9: 1-5-8 (A), 3-6-7 (B), - (C)

Simple (A+B): 3x4x2x6 = 144 x .50 = $72
All A's: 3x2x2x3 = $36 ($18 for .50)


10th: 5th Twilight Derby (G2), 3yo, 9f-T

Best Value: #5 Monster Bea 8-1 6th
Next Best: #6 Blackjackcat 6-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #4 Oscar Nominated 7-2 4th
Super Add: #1 Free Rose 3-1 2nd


P4 Grid:

7: 3-9 (A), 1-7 (B), 4-8 (C)
8: 11-14 (A), - (B), 2-3-4-13-16 (C)
9: 1-5-8 (A), 3-6-7 (B), - (C)
10: 4-5-6 (A), - (B), 1-9-12 (C)

Simple (A+B): 4x2x6x3 = 144 x .50 = $72
All A's: 2x2x3x3 = $36 ($18 for .50)


Good luck!
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:24 PM
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Great job again on the BC coverage . Informative and entertaining with terrific quests.

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Old 11-03-2016, 10:12 PM
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I agree. Great job, as always, Steve.
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Old 11-03-2016, 10:34 PM
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Absolutely great shows. Too much info my head is spinning and the races haven't even started. Last week I said too much work and too many races to handicap properly so why don't I sit it out and just enjoy the races. Then started looking at the forms and the lure of deciphering these puzzles has drawn me back in.
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Great stuff Steve. Thanks a million.

In your opinion, which race(s) on Friday and Saturday are the best wagering opportunities of their respective days? I'm convinced that the Juvy Turf on Friday and the Juvenile on Saturday are the best opportunities to make some moulah. I also feel strongly about the Turf Sprint, but as always, that's a crap shoot. Studying that race was like twisting the knife in my side as I'm still smarting over Lady Shipman missing out on the win last year. That would've turned my whole weekend around had she won. UGH...


That said, BEST OF LUCK THIS WEEKEND Our Fearless Leader! You're the man! Go Birds!
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Old 11-03-2016, 10:57 PM
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I did it a bit differently this year. Got the PP's on Mon night and did my work on Tue morning. Then listened all week to Steve and popped into some DRF webinars and stuff. Also watched the Capital OTB thing. Listened a lot. Took in a lot of opinions. Didn't try to bang my head against the wall.

Don't forget AQU this weekend. A bunch of the top jocks are out of town and it's a great opportunity for those who stay to make some money. The money you make on AQU is just as green as SA.
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Old 11-04-2016, 12:31 AM
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Guys.. Thanks for the kindness and well wishes. Been a fun week that as usual, went by in a flash...

Another 3 hours on tap with Nick Tammaro, Sid Fernando, Mike Welsch, Gary Young, John Nichols, Ed DeRosa & James Scully, Jon White and more!

Will try to add further commentary to the tabs in the morning..
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Also, I may get some Chad Brown horses at some decent prices. Practical Joke I love. In NY we are used to getting short prices on Chad and we may get a break here. He's had a great year and would like to see him roll right through the BC. I remember a few years ago we used to hit Chad for 8-1 and stuff. Maybe we can do this this weekend.
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Great stuff Steve. Thanks a million.

In your opinion, which race(s) on Friday and Saturday are the best wagering opportunities of their respective days? I'm convinced that the Juvy Turf on Friday and the Juvenile on Saturday are the best opportunities to make some moulah. I also feel strongly about the Turf Sprint, but as always, that's a crap shoot. Studying that race was like twisting the knife in my side as I'm still smarting over Lady Shipman missing out on the win last year. That would've turned my whole weekend around had she won. UGH...

That said, BEST OF LUCK THIS WEEKEND Our Fearless Leader! You're the man! Go Birds!
Mike..

Thanks! While the fields/races are superb, I have not had nearly as strong a buzz off the cards as I did last year, honestly.. I thought the Juvy Turfs, Turf Sprint & F&M Turf were the most interesting races where some horses called out. Turf Sprint always a tough race to have a 'Best Bet'.. This year, I think Om won't lose and he'll be a key for me Saturday.

Let's get lucky!
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Steve-the show gets better every year.great job -this is such a great handicapping and betting challenge and your show helps a great deal.good luck to all today and tomorrow.
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Thanks as always for your tireless time, insights and opinions. Your efforts are appreciated.

Best of luck this BC weekend!
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Your tireless work is so very much appreciated. Thanks for doing what you do!

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Can't get the stream to work this morning, but an awesome week of shows Steve.

Thanks for all you do for the game.
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Steve, when you make your final corrections to avoid confusion you posted your P6 betas a P5. GL this weekend.
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SA SCR/CHG'S

Victory to Victory OUT and Sweeping Paddy IN to Juvy Fillies Turf..
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Thanks for your info yesterday, lots of red. Had fun meeting Gus yesterday at the dog track,he is a great guy. Not only did we play some horses, but he enjoys the dogs too.Guess that come from growing up in Florida.Good luck,Steve.
Dave..

Gus is the greatest. He likes the dogs because like the rest of us he's a degenerate. Cool that you guys met up. Got a kick out of your note during the Periscope. Glad you did well. Had good ideas and some pops but didn't do a good enough job building the big multi tix. And only using Tamarkuz as a C was a killer.

Let's hit them hard today! G/L..
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Boss, Did you think songbird won ?
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Boss, Did you think songbird won ?
I thought Beholder won live based on visual (as they hit wire) and Stevens and Smith reactions, which were definitive. Then all the fotogs that were past the wire called 'inside' when they checked their view finders. Seconds later when they played the slo-mo, it seemed clear that Beholder edged her.

Was simply unbelievable. Everything you hoped for in a confrontation of unbeaten sophomore champion and grizzled Hall of Fame mare in her final start.
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Love seeing you on Periscope,keep it up.
Problem on race day like that is it sucks down the power. I had no battery for photos after Distaff..
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