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Old 01-02-2007, 12:55 PM
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I think there is a difference in bashing Lava Man and being realistic. I think most have the opinion that shipping Lava Man to Dubai is not best for the horse. I think he could stay in Cali and dominate on that scene and pocket another 1-2 million
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Old 01-02-2007, 01:12 PM
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Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.
That could turn out to be Lava Man's biggest undoing.
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:32 PM
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Lava Man has never shipped and won on dirt. Now that he is turf only, why not try. He ran two pretty decent turf races last year from what I remember. I'm not too confident, but we complain when horses don't run and now we complain when horses are planning to run. I say ship him and run...that is the purpose of the game. If he gets destroyed...who cares??
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:40 PM
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Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?
*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

As for Lava Man, if the horse was stabled in Kentucky all year as he is California, I think he would run just as well in Kentucky. I don't think it's the track surfaces that do him in... I think it's his uncomfort in being stabled in new digs. Just my take on it...
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:40 PM
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*Raises hand.*

Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

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Which was?
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:42 PM
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Which was?
Didn't he come back with a breathing problem or am I losing it? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere...
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:44 PM
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:45 PM
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He might have had a problem breathing all that dirt that was kicked in his face...J/k
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:46 PM
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He might have had a problem breathing all that dirt that was kicked in his face...J/k
LOL... you're right.

He DID run uncharacteristically poor for him. Although he doesn't actually WIN very often, he is normally running at the end. I was shocked by his 8th place finish.
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Old 01-02-2007, 02:46 PM
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Didn't he come back with a breathing problem or am I losing it? I could have sworn that I read that somewhere...
They come up with an excuse everytime he runs (or blame other trainers). I think it's about time they consider him no longer Grade 1 material and start from there.
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Old 01-02-2007, 03:47 PM
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Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.
That is not a completely true statement , you can work on Lasix up to 10 days out from the race , Im not sure about the withdrawl times for bute and so forth , but I know Lasix is 10 days . Pleasantly Perfect and The Tin Hombre both worked at least once on lasix in dubai before their races.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:19 PM
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Perfect Drift had a legitimate excuse in the BCC.

Yes, he's WAY too slow.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:23 PM
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Yes, he's WAY too slow.
I disagree, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:34 PM
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I disagree, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one.
how can you think that..he has no chance at winning ever in the class that he chooses to run in...he gets a check..but no wins.. gator are dateing murray johnson?
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how can you think that..he has no chance at winning ever in the class that he chooses to run in...he gets a check..but no wins.. gator are dateing murray johnson?
No, but we both have big noses.

Here is my disagreement... you guys think that Perfect Drift is SLOW. I DON'T see him as a slow horse. I see him as a fast horse who doesn't give more than he has to. (Ok, so he's a hanger.) Because of that, he appears slow...

Can you honestly say that you think he was 100% in the BCC? I mean, come on... it was like he wasn't even running! He ran terrible and I don't think that was because he's "too slow."
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:53 PM
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Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?
Agree in general. So, I'll try to make a point of checking back in on this one either way. I hope you will, too.

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Old 01-02-2007, 04:55 PM
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No, but we both have big noses.

Here is my disagreement... you guys think that Perfect Drift is SLOW. I DON'T see him as a slow horse. I see him as a fast horse who doesn't give more than he has to. (Ok, so he's a hanger.) Because of that, he appears slow...

Can you honestly say that you think he was 100% in the BCC? I mean, come on... it was like he wasn't even running! He ran terrible and I don't think that was because he's "too slow."
Did you purchase the past performances for the Classic or are you recalling the Perfect Drift of 2 years ago?
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:58 PM
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Did you purchase the past performances for the Classic or are you recalling the Perfect Drift of 2 years ago?
No, I'm talking about the Perfect Drift than ran 8th in the last BCC in November. Whatever, I supported the horse before the BCC and felt like he had a legit shot since it was at Churchill Downs and the horse likes CD. I was wrong, and I admitted I was wrong both immediately after and RIGHT NOW. Let me know when you guys are done with me...

I still think he had a legit excuse. I hope he comes back strong next year and gets a couple of wins.
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:03 PM
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No, but we both have big noses.

Here is my disagreement... you guys think that Perfect Drift is SLOW. I DON'T see him as a slow horse. I see him as a fast horse who doesn't give more than he has to. (Ok, so he's a hanger.) Because of that, he appears slow...

Can you honestly say that you think he was 100% in the BCC? I mean, come on... it was like he wasn't even running! He ran terrible and I don't think that was because he's "too slow."
I can, yes. The result in the Classic was to be expected. He did run his race in the BC, he didn't belong in the race.

He once belonged in that race, he doesn't anymore. He is simply not fast enough to be any factor in a race like that anymore.

Pop quiz, what do the following top thoroughbreds all have in common?

Ball Four
Suave
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Watershed event
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:05 PM
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Watershed event

Now THAT'S a low blow.

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