Derby Angles

[slotdirt]

I haven't seen somerfrost around in a while, but he's usually the first to post his list of a dozen (or so) Derby angles. Does anybody still have that list anywhere?

[Charismatic1]

Three syllable names. Can be two words, three words, or just one, but three syllable names have dominated the Derby since the mid-80s.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Charismatic1

Three syllable names. Can be two words, three words, or just one, but three syllable names have dominated the Derby since the mid-80s.

Great Hunter
Notional
Scat Daddy
Dilemma
Stormello

[SniperSB23]

Pink Viper!

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Charismatic1

Three syllable names. Can be two words, three words, or just one, but three syllable names have dominated the Derby since the mid-80s.

My "dreaded B" angle took a hit last year, but I'm sticking with it. Barbaro became the 2nd "B" horse in 70 years to win the Derby. Must've been plenty of good "B" losers, what with Bold Anything-You-Can-Think-Of always running.

I'm pretty sure the "dreaded B" angle is as good as most you will see posted here.

--Dunbar

[Dunbar]

I just did some more "research". There hasn't been an "E" winner since Exterminator in 1918. No wonder Easy Goer couldn't get it done!

Northern Dancer (1964) was the last "N" and Omaha (1935) was the last "O".

Needles was the only other "N" in the entire history of the Derby. If the "B" curse is broken again, I'll start touting the "N" curse. Or maybe I'll look for "double qualifiers", namely, a horse whose 2-part name begins with both "N" and "B".

Hint: I'm not a big fan of either dosage or the RAN curse.

--Dunbar

[Scav]

I had it somewhere, but do not anymore......

[miraja2]

If you don't play "angles" on a $5000 Mcl, why would you worry about them for the Derby? The best way to make a profit on the Derby is to cap it like you would any other race.
Trust your skills as a capper......not some crazy "angles."
After all.....didn't one of the "angles" have something to do with it being impossible to win off a 5-week layoff? How did that one turn out?

[slotdirt]

Nobody's playing angles, they're just fun bits of information on the biggest American horse race.

[zippyneedsawin]

Here's a copy of Somer's derby angles that I found:



Here are the 15 angles for selecting the Derby winner:
1) Do not bet a gelding to win the Derby
2) Do not bet a horse that didn't have a prep race in April.
3) Don't bet any horse with fewer than 3 prep races since January 1st.
4) Don't bet a horse with fewer than 5 life time starts.
5) Don't bet any horse that hasn't had at least one prep race of 8f or longer.
6) Don't bet a foreign-based horse to win the Derby.
7) Don't bety any horse that didn't start at two.
8) Don't bet any "Late Nominee" to the race.
9) Don't bet a horse with a DI over 4.00 or a CD over 1.00.
10) Don't bet a horse with fewer than 16 points in DP, prefer at least 18.
11) Don't bet a horse with RAN Curse.
12) Don't bet winner of BCJ to win the Derby.
13) Don't bet a horse that finished out of the money in last prep.
14) Don't bet a horse with Damascus in sire's sire line to win Derby
15) Don't bet a horse that failed to finish in the top 4 in one of the following preps: Florida Derby, Arkansas Derby, Santa Anita Derby, Wood, Blue Grass, Spiral.

[slotdirt]

Excellent! That's it exactly.

[Sightseek]

A little on color:

Different color horses that have won the Derby.
Bay - 47
Chestnut - 43
Dark Bay/Brown - 8 Gray - 5
Black - 4
Roan - 2
Gray/Roan - 2
Winning Colors (1988) is the only roan to win the Derby.

Ok, so most horses are brown

[slotdirt]

I think you're missing a few. There have been 132 derbies.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think you're missing a few. There have been 132 derbies.

I just pulled that off the Kentucky Derby website. They have all sorts of stats on their website, obviously not updated.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

A little on color:

Different color horses that have won the Derby.
Bay - 47
Chestnut - 43
Dark Bay/Brown - 8 Gray - 5
Black - 4
Roan - 2
Gray/Roan - 2
Winning Colors (1988) is the only roan to win the Derby.

If Winning Colors is the only roan to win, then why does it say "Roan - 2" right above that?

Besides, I didn't think off-color remarks were allowed on Derby Trail.

--Dunbar

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

If Winning Colors is the only roan to win, then why does it say "Roan - 2" right above that?

Besides, I didn't think off-color remarks were allowed on Derby Trail.

--Dunbar

LOL

I thought for sure that Winning Colors was a grey.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

If Winning Colors is the only roan to win, then why does it say "Roan - 2" right above that?

Besides, I didn't think off-color remarks were allowed on Derby Trail.

--Dunbar

Clearly whoever designed the website for the Kentucky Derby is not good at math is all I have to say.

[Cajungator26]

In fact, here is Winning Colors (older of course.)



http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/winningcolors.html

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

In fact, here is Winning Colors (older of course.)



http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/winningcolors.html

The Jockey Club, as you probably know, groups these colors together, but this is how they define each:

http://www.jockeyclub.com/registry.asp?section=3#color

So I guess you will have to take this up with Churchill Downs

And this is where all of their, obviously not updated stats, on the winnners can be found:

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de...ctions/horses/