Steve Nash

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Gander

is mchale that white guy from the celtics in the 80's?

Yes. I believe he went on to coach an NBA team in some capacity and still may. He was an awesome player, sort of like Steve Nash, a huge overachiever. Didnt look like much but he was money.

McHale was a position player and a recipient of some of Birds' greatness! Nash is hardly an overachiever since he's still the reigning MVP. btw...Gander...you haven't said much about baseball this offseason?

Originally Posted by Gander

is mchale that white guy from the celtics in the 80's?

Yes. I believe he went on to coach an NBA team in some capacity and still may. He was an awesome player, sort of like Steve Nash, a huge overachiever. Didnt look like much but he was money.

I dont know about an overacheiver Gander. McHale was just damn good. Nearly the Best footwork of all time for a big man, second only to Hakeem. He played great D also. He was very talented as Nash is. Nash is the only player I have seen that is as good left handed as right handed on everything but jump shots. His left hand is amazing which is why he befuddles so many defenders. So these guys had/have amazing talent just like Magic, and none of them had/have great hops. Lots more to the game than hops.

McHale never coached. He is the VP of basketball operations or something like that with the Timberwolves.

[Gander]

I dont follow the NBA anymore but I knew Mchale had something to do with some team. I regard him as an overachiever because he just never looked or acted like an athlete who could play at the level he did. Had it not been for Larry Bird he would have been much more recognized and people like the Turd would not have to ask who he was.

Originally Posted by turdbucket67

lol


i've only seen McHale play on espn classic..and as far as i've seen, lebron would rip him apart is everyway possible... ball handling, power, eye vison, post game, jumper, and most importantly ABLITITY TO TAKE OVER A GAME!!!!

They play completely diff. roles. McHale did not bring the ball up the court, he did not shoot 3's. He had fantastic pivot moves close to the basket and an incredibly soft touch. And he had/has exceptionally long arms and would block shots while keeping the ball in play instead of knocking it into the stands (just like an offensive rebound for the other team...)

And there is no flippin way Lebron could beat McHale in a post game. McHale would score over him every time he got the ball. And if Lebron tried to post Mchale up... he wouldnt... he would try to go past him. If he did try and post him up, jumping from a post position (ie without a flying start) he would find the ball blocked unless he tried a fall away jumper which he would have to do.
There is a reason Lebron does not cover Duncan down low also. He would foul out and get scored on.

They play completely diff. games in diff. positions.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If Duncan is not the best power forward of all time, I dont know who is. Because it aint the 3 you mentioned.

Magic at point guard is a must.

Maravich????? The best AND ONE player. But does not come close to the best shooting guard. Might as well as George Gervin if you add Maravich.

Other than those I like your list.

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Duncan really had two great years. He was plain bad most of last year and isn't good enough to carry his team. That's why he's off my list.

Johnson, sure, why not. But the guy played with Jabbar and Worthy. He was great but I'd still take the others as the top point guards.

And Maravich would have averaged 35 points a game every season if he was healthy and playing in today's NBA. He averaged 44 a game in college and really was minimally healthy for only the first 3-4 years he played in the pros.

For a guy who was playing with one cornary artery, he was as good as I ever saw while playing for lousy teams.

Just my thoughts. Though George Gervin would be in my top 5 shooting guards now that you mention it.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

McHale never coached. He is the VP of basketball operations or something like that with the Timberwolves.

Wrong.

McHale coached the last 30-40 games of the 2005 season after Flip Saunders got fired by Minnesota.

[GPK]

what little I watch the NBA now, Nash seems to have the best court vision since Bird. Always saw 2-3 passes and moves ahead of everyone else. Complete court vision and awareness is a lost art among todays players.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by turdbucket67

lol


i've only seen McHale play on espn classic..and as far as i've seen, lebron would rip him apart is everyway possible... ball handling, power, eye vison, post game, jumper, and most importantly ABLITITY TO TAKE OVER A GAME!!!!

McHale was a great low post player. Bird had nothing to do with that. McHale is the only player ever to shoot over 60% from the field and over 80% on free throws in the same season. That same year, like most years, he was on the NBA All-Defense team.

Lebron is great, but he would not have just ripped McHale apart.

[Gander]

Larry Bird was the greatest I have ever seen. Guy could do anything and nobody ever to this day makes the passes he use to make every night. He could shoot 3's too, back when not many really could.

Had personality too. Lebron is a robot out there.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Duncan really had two great years. He was plain bad most of last year and isn't good enough to carry his team. That's why he's off my list.

You are kidding. You look only at stats I guess. He has been an Allstar every year. Rookie of the year. 3 NBA championships... HOly Cow waddya want. If the Spurs did not have Duncan now or any year they would barely make the playoffs if at all.
Duncan has the best hands of any big man ever. Thats what allows him to have the most varied post moves of any player in NBA history. He is now in his downhill physical years. So he has to rely even more on saavy than he used to . ANd he was injured last year. He could have been the leading scorer in a number of years if he played on a team like Phoenix but he plays on a team that is more concerned about taking time off the clock on offense, and playing shut down defense.

[Gander]

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.


And Maravich would have averaged 35 points a game every season if he was healthy and playing in today's NBA. He averaged 44 a game in college and really was minimally healthy for only the first 3-4 years he played in the pros.

For a guy who was playing with one cornary artery, he was as good as I ever saw while playing for lousy teams.

He played when the NBA had to play man to man (anything else was illegal), and on bad teams he was the ONly scorer. He never had to get matched up against Zones and double teams off the ball. And he never shot over 50% from the field. He was a circus to watch, but no way a great all around player like Robertson or Jordan, not even close.

Originally Posted by Gander

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

I will end if you can give me a player with better hands and a better post scorer than Duncan. You are watching an all time great in Tim, Tim. I think, I thought, you did not like NBA basketball so how can you rate if you dont watch the games? And the guy has the same first name as you and is nothing but a gentleman. Although he gripes way too much now.

David Robinson was a much better athlete than Tim Duncan, but not even close as a basketball player. I think Robinson is overrated. He was the best athlete to ever play center imo, but a very ordinary basketball player. There, hows that for Spur bias.

[GPK]

I have a little bias...but you remember the conversation we had on the phone the other day Tim...who I said ran the best 2 races last year.


again, a little bias...but I am smart enough to know there are some other really good horses out there.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He played when the NBA had to play man to man (anything else was illegal), and on bad teams he was the ONly scorer. He never had to get matched up against Zones and double teams off the ball. And he never shot over 50% from the field. He was a circus to watch, but no way a great all around player like Robertson or Jordan, not even close.

Well, I put MAravich in my top 3 along with Jordan and Oscar, so there it is.

As far as xones and doubles, did you ever see Pete play in college? Guy averaged over 42 points a game EVERY year (with no 3-point line). It's not as if they didn't play any D against him in college.

He would have scored 35 a game in the NBA if he was playing now.

How good would Jordan or Oscar have been if they were playing without a left coronary artery?

[Gander]

I didnt know that guy who use to play for UCLA (always use to wear that headband) like 4 years ago plays in the NBA? I think he plays for the Knicks. Was always a very underrated college player.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by turdbucket67

who was better big O or mchale?????.... oscar averaged a triple double for an entire year!!!

imo, jordan.

Originally Posted by Gander

Larry Bird was the greatest I have ever seen. Guy could do anything and nobody ever to this day makes the passes he use to make every night. He could shoot 3's too, back when not many really could.

Had personality too. Lebron is a robot out there.

You missed seeing Michael Jordan.

Nothing compares
Notheeeeeng compares
too you...

Sinead O'Connor.

Larry would be in the top 5 though.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nothing is quite that bad.

you wanna see me got confrontational????