What if the Jockey Club allowed AI? - Page 3

Antitrust32 · #41 01-31-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I would just like to state it cannot be easy typing Where One Uses Caps In The First Letter Of Every Word One Types.

Actually, I think the poster is writing his whole posts in caps and the derby trail just makes every first letter in caps let me try - I am typing the next phrase in all caps

BARBARO WAS A TRUE GLADIATOR

Antitrust32 · #42 01-31-2007, 03:20 PM

guess i was wrong..

LARHAGE · #43 01-31-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

It isn't about the money, you'd still be paying for the advertised stud fee, and in actuality it isn't cheap to have your mare impregnated at home by the Vet. It requires stringent record keeping and Vet visits. The advantage is simply the health and welfare of the mare and foal is the first priority, and you can choose a stallion from another Country if you desire. If I could afford the stud fee by A.I., I could afford it by shipping. I simply don't want my newborn foals stressed out at that young age with a van ride and stabling in a new atmosphere. It's just ripe for sickness.

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

GenuineRisk · #44 01-31-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

guess i was wrong..

Maybe it just lets you have a limited number of words in caps. I'm going to try:

MY GRANDFATHER WOULD NEVER BET ON A GRAY HORSE. I WOULD LOVE TO SOMEDAY OWN A GRAY HORSE AND NAME IT AFTER HIM. I MYSELF LIKE GRAY HORSES, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT A BETTING ANGLE. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID AND I HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE HANDICAPPING AS IT IS.

BARBARO WAS NOT A GRAY. AND I DIDN'T BET ON HIM IN THE DERBY. BECAUSE I'M STUPID.

GenuineRisk · #45 01-31-2007, 03:50 PM

Huh. Okay Then. Now I Feel REALLY Stupid.

Thoroughbred Fan · #46 01-31-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

It isn't about the money, you'd still be paying for the advertised stud fee, and in actuality it isn't cheap to have your mare impregnated at home by the Vet. It requires stringent record keeping and Vet visits. The advantage is simply the health and welfare of the mare and foal is the first priority, and you can choose a stallion from another Country if you desire. If I could afford the stud fee by A.I., I could afford it by shipping. I simply don't want my newborn foals stressed out at that young age with a van ride and stabling in a new atmosphere. It's just ripe for sickness.

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

The stud fees would drop like a rock! And don't fool yourself the breeding game is all about the money.

lemondropkid1 · #47 01-31-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I Saw The Same Story On Msnbc Where The Interviewed Said That He Was Sure Barbaros Semen Was Frozen Somewhere. Let Me Just Say, And Those Of You Who Saw This Piece On Msnbc Will I Am Sure Concur Both The Interviewer And The Interviewed Were At The Worst Idiots And At Best Knew Absolutely Nothing About Horse Racing Or Horses.

Oh I agree 100%. It had to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, especially considering that one of them is supposed to be the horse racing correspondant and therefore one would assume he would know something about the industry. I just found the whole topic very interesting, a typical "What if" scenario. I'm sure it will never happen for many of the reasons posted here.

And if you thought those guys were idiots, the article on cloning was even worse.

paisjpq · #48 01-31-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

I couldn't agree more ...
even the 'responsible' breeders are guilty of breeding fillies that should just go away and be a child's hunter or something...

an example...
a well bred filly turns up with a HORRIBLE throat at the yearling sale...the owners knew on the farm that her throat was bad and that she was a 'roarer' when she exercised but they took their chances @ auction...
her mother was a really good runner who has not thrown more than a maiden winner in 10 or so foals...her daddy was a first crop stud (who has gotten some big runners this season)...
as expected, that filly RNA'd...and knowing that she wasn't going to be able to breathe they decided not to try to train he for racing...
so what did they do? Well, she's due to foal in april...she will be 3 yrs and 1 month old when she becomes a mommy....

she should have been culled....

Cannon Shell · #49 01-31-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

Quarter horses can be as much as 15/16ths Thoroughbred and still be considered QH's. Not pure anymore.

Cannon Shell · #50 01-31-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I couldn't agree more ...
even the 'responsible' breeders are guilty of breeding fillies that should just go away and be a child's hunter or something...

an example...
a well bred filly turns up with a HORRIBLE throat at the yearling sale...the owners knew on the farm that her throat was bad and that she was a 'roarer' when she exercised but they took their chances @ auction...
her mother was a really good runner who has not thrown more than a maiden winner in 10 or so foals...her daddy was a first crop stud (who has gotten some big runners this season)...
as expected, that filly RNA'd...and knowing that she wasn't going to be able to breathe they decided not to try to train he for racing...
so what did they do? Well, she's due to foal in april...she will be 3 yrs and 1 month old when she becomes a mommy....

she should have been culled....

And if you think that is bad then what about the same type filly that is NOT well bred that is in the same situation. Those kind keep getting bred too.

Danzig · #51 01-31-2007, 05:34 PM

also with ai, pretty hard to prove without dna testing that you got what you paid for. huge opportunties for abuse of the system. every live cover is videoed..
needs to stay the way it is.

paisjpq · #52 01-31-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And if you think that is bad then what about the same type filly that is NOT well bred that is in the same situation. Those kind keep getting bred too.

Oh I know...I was just giving the first filly example that popped in my head...it's bad either way.

Cajungator26 · #53 01-31-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Quarter horses can be as much as 15/16ths Thoroughbred and still be considered QH's. Not pure anymore.

Yes, but I believe at that point, they're called Appendix QH's. I used to own one... best horse I've ever been around (although he had small hooves, UGH.)

Cannon Shell · #54 01-31-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yes, but I believe at that point, they're called Appendix QH's. I used to own one... best horse I've ever been around (although he had small hooves, UGH.)

They can still race and are registered with the AQHA.
Both my QH's have poor feet.

Cajungator26 · #55 01-31-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They can still race and are registered with the AQHA.
Both my QH's have poor feet.

That's correct, but aren't they registered with the AQHA as "Appendix QH's?" Poor feet seem to run in the QH breed. Way too small for their bodies...

Danzig · #56 01-31-2007, 07:53 PM

alydar was a popular sire with appendix qh folks. i've thought about trying to get involved in qh racing--seems it might be a bit easier on the wallet--but i'm just not interested in 'drag racing'.

Cajungator26 · #57 01-31-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

alydar was a popular sire with appendix qh folks. i've thought about trying to get involved in qh racing--seems it might be a bit easier on the wallet--but i'm just not interested in 'drag racing'.

My appendix was so fast, it was scary... my sister's thoroughbred couldn't keep up for about a half mile, but after that, watch out boys. LOL

Danzig · #58 01-31-2007, 07:58 PM

amazing speed. and have the stamina to run all day--just not run FAST all day...

amazing when you consider that qh's are the #1 registry by far--and with foal crops the size they are with t'breds, it boggles the mind how many qh's there must be.