Baffert Fined

[sumitas]

Geesh, he was very edgey on Derby Day.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34109

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you know who i am...lol..why bring that bust out in with ya the stench of loser should have doomed bob and john.....

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

you know who i am...lol..why bring that bust out in with ya the stench of loser should have doomed bob and john.....

lol. Baffert don't need no steenking badges.

[Cajungator26]

The security guards get like that in the garage too...

You could be Jeff Gordon and they won't let you in without proper credentials. I don't blame Baffert.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The security guards get like that in the garage too...

You could be Jeff Gordon and they won't let you in without proper credentials. I don't blame Baffert.

Its rather ridiculous. In order to get someone in the paddock you have to get them a paddock pass. YOu are the trainer of three horses in the Derby. You are trying to train the horses, and accomodate the media with non stop interviews and also deal with your business. You have a bunch of friends and guests with you and you blow the headcount by a few. In order to get the passes in the first place you have to call the horseman's liaison, then go get em, then try and have them passed out to friends and guests who are scattered all over town at different locations. So you blow the heacount by a couple, or you dont have the paddock passes with you, you have accomodated the press all week and you try and bring in a guest with you to the paddock of a race where you have a horse running.
This sound like a reason to get mad if you are baffert and someone says no? Give me a break. Security is gladly had at the racetrack and everyone appreciates the job these guys do. BUt to tell a guy with three horses in teh race who is standing in front of you telling you this guy is with me, that he can't go in. Yeah, I'd throw a fit as well.

Race track security has increased lately due to various reasons but whats been going on has been highly insulting to owners and trainers. Owners get a lot of joy when they run horses and take family and guests with them into the paddock to share the excitement. Telling a guy who invested millions into the game that his friend cant come in with him is about the biggest slap in the face I can imagine. Trainers also may meet potential owners and want to bring them to the paddock so they can see how exciting it is. To tell these guys that they cant bring people in with them without a badge or pass is really a pain in the ass. You are talking about the paddock and lost of security around and what are the chances that an owner or trainer is going to bring someone else in WITH them who is going to cause a problem? All they wanna do is stand there and admire the horses and the atmosphere.
I can understand the backstretch security being so steep, with all the controvbersy lately about doping or tampering it makes sense to not let people in who dont have any business on the backside. People are working there and trying to do jobs, its not a place for tourists. But the paddock is another story. If they are going to have such stringent rules than the track executives really ought to hire a few more liaisons to strictly meet the owners and trainers needs. Have them ask the trainer or owner on the way to teh paddock how many passes they need for the race and hand them out.
trainers and owners often have unexpected guests show up for a day of racing and expecting them to have a headcount in the morning, make a call, go and pick them up, then pass them out is ridiculous, who has the time to work and do that as well? Just make the owner and trainer responsible for the guests and make them show their badge to someone at the paddock entrance and request as many passes as they need for their guests on the way in. Doesn't this sound a lot more accomodating and sensible to anyone?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its rather ridiculous. In order to get someone in the paddock you have to get them a paddock pass. YOu are the trainer of three horses in the Derby. You are trying to train the horses, and accomodate the media with non stop interviews and also deal with your business. You have a bunch of friends and guests with you and you blow the headcount by a few. In order to get the passes in the first place you have to call the horseman's liaison, then go get em, then try and have them passed out to friends and guests who are scattered all over town at different locations. So you blow the heacount by a couple, or you dont have the paddock passes with you, you have accomodated the press all week and you try and bring in a guest with you to the paddock of a race where you have a horse running.
This sound like a reason to get mad if you are baffert and someone says no? Give me a break. Security is gladly had at the racetrack and everyone appreciates the job these guys do. BUt to tell a guy with three horses in teh race who is standing in front of you telling you this guy is with me, that he can't go in. Yeah, I'd throw a fit as well.

Yep, I would too... and have. LOL

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yep, I would too... and have. LOL

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

Same garbage happens in Nascar and it's ridiculous. I was actually wearing credentials and a hot pass in Atlanta and the guard wouldn't let me through because he thought I was a pit lizard trying to get in. AND I HAD CREDENTIALS ON. I was infuriated, but no where near as infuriated as my boyfriend who had to come up to the gate and get me... needless to say, the guard apologized profusely, but that kind of garbage ticks me off...

Baffert has more important things to worry about than credentials and getting people in. If he says, "this person is with me", than that should be all that is needed. I would have thrown a complete fit.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

500 to him is like a penny..no big deal..id make miller sit outside ..scrub and if anyone is to blame it should be his asstnt..that handles that stuff..the security gaurd was right..nobody means nobody..

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

Nope, Baffert wasn't wrong, just preoccupied.
$500 fine...yeah right, big deal.
Rent-a-cops have ajob to do!
Gimme a break.
And for Blood Horse to make a headline out of it...gimme another break...

To me this is a non-issue. But Baffert is in the wrong here. You do not touch a security guard. It is that simple. The reason from credentials is so they can control who is in the paddock area. They do not need 1000 people down there. Also, you cannot say well you are Bob Baffert so we can let you slide. Where do you draw the line. Do you tell Pletcher or Speitz that they cannot have someone without credentials in because they have never won the Derby--RIDICULOUS. Follow the rules Bob and things like this will not happen.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

500 to him is like a penny..no big deal..id make miller sit outside ..scrub and if anyone is to blame it should be his asstnt..that handles that stuff..the security gaurd was right..nobody means nobody..

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Race track security has increased lately due to various reasons but whats been going on has been highly insulting to owners and trainers. Owners get a lot of joy when they run horses and take family and guests with them into the paddock to share the excitement. Telling a guy who invested millions into the game that his friend cant come in with him is about the biggest slap in the face I can imagine. Trainers also may meet potential owners and want to bring them to the paddock so they can see how exciting it is. To tell these guys that they cant bring people in with them without a badge or pass is really a pain in the ass. You are talking about the paddock and lost of security around and what are the chances that an owner or trainer is going to bring someone else in WITH them who is going to cause a problem? All they wanna do is stand there and admire the horses and the atmosphere.
I can understand the backstretch security being so steep, with all the controvbersy lately about doping or tampering it makes sense to not let people in who dont have any business on the backside. People are working there and trying to do jobs, its not a place for tourists. But the paddock is another story. If they are going to have such stringent rules than the track executives really ought to hire a few more liaisons to strictly meet the owners and trainers needs. Have them ask the trainer or owner on the way to teh paddock how many passes they need for the race and hand them out.
trainers and owners often have unexpected guests show up for a day of racing and expecting them to have a headcount in the morning, make a call, go and pick them up, then pass them out is ridiculous, who has the time to work and do that as well? Just make the owner and trainer responsible for the guests and make them show their badge to someone at the paddock entrance and request as many passes as they need for their guests on the way in. Doesn't this sound a lot more accomodating and sensible to anyone?

Yes. But this is after the event.

Baffert does not need to get arrogant with a poor security guard just doing his job. Heck the guy could get fired... he is told dont let people in without credentials... except if its Baffert????

Bull puckey. Baffert should have followed the rules like everyone else. And he knows it as he has apologized. Cant stand this arrogance.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

I agree 100%.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

To me this is a non-issue. But Baffert is in the wrong here. You do not touch a security guard. It is that simple. The reason from credentials is so they can control who is in the paddock area. They do not need 1000 people down there. Also, you cannot say well you are Bob Baffert so we can let you slide. Where do you draw the line. Do you tell Pletcher or Speitz that they cannot have someone without credentials in because they have never won the Derby--RIDICULOUS. Follow the rules Bob and things like this will not happen.

Yeah yeah CD cheerleader takes the other side, who'd figure huh? Its backwoods amateur time Barney Fife bull****, thats what it is. You think in NY they wouldnt let anyone Todd or Peitz or baffert brought to the paddock in? Get real. Never read about that in NY.

Originally Posted by oracle80

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

LOL@Oracle. Baffert has 364 days to call to get credentials. I think he can find 5 minutes to call in order to make sure HIS guests are accomodated. Churchill has rules for everyone to follow. He dropped the ball on this one and took his frustration out on a security guard. I bet Churchill had to talk the guards out of pressing assualt charges. But again, this is a non-issue in my eyes.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

LOL@Oracle. Baffert has 364 days to call to get credentials. I think he can find 5 minutes to call in order to make sure HIS guests are accomodated. Churchill has rules for everyone to follow. He dropped the ball on this one and took his frustration out on a security guard. I bet Churchill had to talk the guards out of pressing assualt charges. But again, this is a non-issue in my eyes.

You can't get credentials that far in advance.

To make sure all the rules are followed, two years ago. John Magnier was at Churchill and he wanted to get into an aread of the track where you had to have a pass and the security guard wouldnt let him through - lol. Magnier asked the security guard if he knew who he was and he said "yes sir, you are John Magnier." Magnier said "thank you." The security guard said "you still are not going to get in without your credentials. Magnier went back to get his pass-lol.

Say what you want about NYRA but as the guest of an owner I used to work for and as the guest of friends who train and own, I never once saw the horseman and their guests treated with anything less than total accomodation by NYRA. They go out of their way to make the trainer and owners experience as pleasant as possible.
By the way Euro, you met Terry huh? Ask meyocks how he would have handled it. I know him, and hes a gentleman and one of the best liked people in the entire business by horseman and any fan with a grain of common sense. Terry never turned down anyone I know on tickets, passes, anything. Above and beyond the call of duty as far as horseamn and meeting their needs went. If I owned a racetrack, he'd be the first guy I would call to beg run it.