Beyer's for Sat's Stakes

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 03-04-2007, 02:42 AM

Looking over the final times for the stakes run at GP and SA on Saturday, this looks like a pretty tricky day for figure making at both places, especially with the two 7.5 furlong sprints at Gulfstream Park....which I believe should be cut loose from the other two 7 furlong sprints.

At SA, the Robert Lewis Stakes came back alarmingly fast, while the day's first route race, which featured Rackateer beating Sinister Minister came back slower than expected. There's a chance that the main track possibly got a little bit faster as the card went on, but I really don't think the evidence is strong enough to suggest fooling around with anything.

The commerical numbers aren't posted on the website yet...but here's what I came up with after looking over the final times.

Corinthian- 105
Scat Daddy- 97
Chelokee- 91
Lava Man- 108
Great Hunter- 100
Albertus Maximus- 91

(Now the very tricky ones)

Deadly Dealer- 102
King of the Roxy- 100
Half Ours- 102

cmorioles · #2 03-04-2007, 02:53 AM

I haven't looked at the races at all, but I don't see any way Half Ours gets a 102. I'm not saying that isn't what he deserves, but I would think we'll see a lot higher than that.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 03-04-2007, 03:14 AM

I agree that Half Ours race will probably come back faster than I have it, perhaps even by as many as 8 points.

However, I simply could not justify giving him anything higher than a 102.

eajinabi · #4 03-04-2007, 04:33 PM

Is it me or was the track a bit fast yesterday at Gulfstream??

saucon17 · #5 03-04-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Is it me or was the track a bit fast yesterday at Gulfstream??

I thought it was on the speedy side, but I also thought Santa Anita
main track was a little on the dull side yesterday.

cmorioles · #6 03-04-2007, 05:00 PM

How did somebody from Beligium steal my identity?

randallscott35 · #7 03-04-2007, 05:36 PM

The FOY was slow, that's for damn sure.

PSH · #8 03-04-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

The FOY was slow, that's for damn sure.

and visually i was not impressed with anyone in there....

#9 03-04-2007, 06:06 PM

I think Gulfstream got harder later. It was hot. And again I ask, what was wrong with the 1 hole. I did not see a horse get a decent start out of that spot?

#10 03-04-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PSH

and visually i was not impressed with anyone in there....

I was. Even though as a Derby horse its probably not gonna work. Stormello is a very game animal. He was pushed the 2nd half hard and still hung in there. I was sure he was cooked.

golfer · #11 03-04-2007, 07:18 PM

I was wondering about that myself... Rescue Party, For You Reppo, Forefathers and Slam Bammy all broke very poorly..needless to say, I also bet on all 4 of them, which is why it was so noticeable

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tiznowthegreat · #12 03-04-2007, 09:22 PM

Deadly Dealer earned a 104. Does anybody know what anybody else got for sure?

Dunbar · #13 03-04-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

Deadly Dealer earned a 104. Does anybody know what anybody else got for sure?

The ones on the DRF Leaderboard, besides DD's 104, are:

King of the Roxy 102
Bold Start 98

Corinthian 107
Hesanoldsalt 107
AP Arrow 106

The Santa Anita numbers may not be up yet at DRF.

--Dunbar

cmorioles · #14 03-05-2007, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuofa

How did somebody from Beligium steal my identity?

You stole my avatar, and you aren't worthy. It is Belgium.

Dunbar · #15 03-05-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

The ones on the DRF Leaderboard, besides DD's 104, are:

King of the Roxy 102
Bold Start 98

Corinthian 107
Hesanoldsalt 107
AP Arrow 106

The Santa Anita numbers may not be up yet at DRF.

SA Beyers are now up at DRF:

Lava Man 109
Molengo 108
Boboman & McCann's Mojave 106
Ball Four & Spring At Last 105

Great Hunter 101
Sam P 99

Try To Fly 98

--Dunbar

jjf1031 · #16 03-05-2007, 11:54 AM

Boboman might have a bit of a future on dirt. Loved him underneath Lava Man but run came too late.

Agree with above poster that Stormello while not running that fast is dead game, regardless of track condition. He is tough and look forward to seeing him run in the future

The Indomitable DrugS · #17 03-05-2007, 01:45 PM

I pretty much knew the figuremaker for the Beyers would cut the two 7.5 furlong races loose from the two 7 furlong races...and have a seperate variant for each, I was a little surprised to see that we both had the same difference between the two distances. The only difference was that the Beyer figuremaker had the track 2 points faster than I did in the sprint races.

They had Deadly Dealer and Half Ours both getting a 104. I had them both getting a 102.

The Santa Anita figures were much less tricky. I had the track 1 point slower than they did.

cmorioles · #18 03-05-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I pretty much knew the figuremaker for the Beyers would cut the two 7.5 furlong races loose from the two 7 furlong races...and have a seperate variant for each, I was a little surprised to see that we both had the same difference between the two distances. The only difference was that the Beyer figuremaker had the track 2 points faster than I did in the sprint races.

They had Deadly Dealer and Half Ours both getting a 104. I had them both getting a 102.

The Santa Anita figures were much less tricky. I had the track 1 point slower than they did.

Nice job.

I do pace and speed numbers as you know but many here might not, and Deadly Dealer, King of the Roxy, and Great Hunter's races all came back as normal for the final time. The Fountain of Youth was about 6 lengths quick, and the Half Ours race was quick early as well. Corinthian's race was pretty slow early on, and Lava Man's race came back about 2.5 lengths slow early.

SniperSB23 · #19 03-05-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Looking over the final times for the stakes run at GP and SA on Saturday, this looks like a pretty tricky day for figure making at both places, especially with the two 7.5 furlong sprints at Gulfstream Park....which I believe should be cut loose from the other two 7 furlong sprints.

At SA, the Robert Lewis Stakes came back alarmingly fast, while the day's first route race, which featured Rackateer beating Sinister Minister came back slower than expected. There's a chance that the main track possibly got a little bit faster as the card went on, but I really don't think the evidence is strong enough to suggest fooling around with anything.

The commerical numbers aren't posted on the website yet...but here's what I came up with after looking over the final times.

Corinthian- 105
Scat Daddy- 97
Chelokee- 91
Lava Man- 108
Great Hunter- 100
Albertus Maximus- 91

(Now the very tricky ones)

Deadly Dealer- 102
King of the Roxy- 100
Half Ours- 102

Nice calls, what would have been the effect of not splitting the variant between the 7 and 7.5 furlong races? Would KOTR and DD have higher or lower figures?

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 03-05-2007, 03:01 PM

They would get figures quite a bit higher