stupidest ride since kotashaan in the japan cup?!!!

Indian Charlie · #1 03-31-2007, 01:41 PM

what the hell was dettori thinking??????

wow

i am utterly speechless that dettori had dc sitting in last. wow.

that is hands down the stupidest jockey in racing.

TitanSooner · #2 03-31-2007, 01:43 PM

I think it was more DC having Dettori sitting last.

Travis Stone · #3 03-31-2007, 01:43 PM

Discreet Cat wasn't comfortable from the start... he was not beating the top two today.

TitanSooner · #4 03-31-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Discreet Cat wasn't comfortable from the start... he was not beating the top two today.

should have a match race now between him and Lava Man

Danzig · #5 03-31-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanSooner

should have a match race now between him and Lava Man

if it's in cali, i'll take the man...anywhere else, i'll take the stable pony.
no, seriously, dc definitely was not himself today.

pointman · #6 03-31-2007, 01:48 PM

I was wondering why they put Dettori on DC when Gomez was there, a bit puzzling to me.

KirisClown · #7 03-31-2007, 01:49 PM

Kotashaan at least put a big run in... Discreet Cat was pretty bad, there's not much a jock can do when the horse has nothing to offer.

Phalaris1913 · #8 03-31-2007, 02:10 PM

I don't think Dettori had anything to work with, not from the first stride or any stride thereafter. He probably could've ridden this horse to the front and he would've had even less under him for the last half of the race.

hi_im_god · #9 03-31-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

what the hell was dettori thinking??????

wow

i am utterly speechless that dettori had dc sitting in last. wow.

that is hands down the stupidest jockey in racing.

i love the line attributed to shoemaker when a trainer, after a race, was yelling at him "i told you to get the lead!"

he allegedly answered: "what? and leave the horse?"

Indian Charlie · #10 03-31-2007, 02:27 PM

yeah, a week ago this horse went about 138 in a mile work and it looked like he went about 3 minutes, it was so easy.

unless this horse hit his head coming out of the gate, i really have a hard time coming up with a reasonable explanation for him not being near the lead with them going as slowly as they did, in what on paper was a paceless race.

this was all dettori, as he seemed perfectly content to have him in last. he DID eventually ask him pretty hard for run, which indicates to me that if he had wanted to try for the lead, he could have tried early in the race. that to me indicates he was rated in last on purpose.

taking a horse with world class speed such as discreet cat back into last place stuck on the rail in his first attempt at going 10f over that speed friendly surface makes as much sense as gelding a stallion just before he begins his stud career.

yeah, he got beat a pole, but like i said, there is no freakin way he was going to win from that position, and it's not uncommon in the least for a speed horse going long that is rated way back to run as miserably as he did.

that he ran last is irrelevant. he could have run third, or last, and neither performance would have been indicative of what he was capable of.

and if he had won under these circumstances, i'd have expected him to be retired immediately (that's imminent anyways), sent to stud for 1 mil a pop and be enshrined in the HOF tomorrow as the best horse ever.

#11 03-31-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

what the hell was dettori thinking??????

wow

i am utterly speechless that dettori had dc sitting in last. wow.

that is hands down the stupidest jockey in racing.

Oh come on. The horse put him there to begin with. The real monsters where there at the end. It would not have mattered what kind of start or trip Discreet cat would have gotten.

A year makes a huge diff. Invasor has faced all the toughest and triumphed. He is just lots better now.

PPerfectfan · #12 03-31-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

what the hell was dettori thinking??????

wow

i am utterly speechless that dettori had dc sitting in last. wow.

that is hands down the stupidest jockey in racing.

While I totally agree that his ride on Kotashan was the worst, he didnt have horse from the start. DC looked horrible in the post, didnt want anything to do with loading,while washing out. Yeah that training up to the race worked out well. But "my" Premium Tap did not do bad at all!!! And InVaSor is just amazing. Now lets see if we get to see him agian.

mclem10011 · #13 03-31-2007, 04:35 PM

It simply comes down to Dettori not having any horse whatsoever today! I agree he didn't look comfortable at all, for whatever reason. Franki doesn't deserve the blame, IMO. I lost coin on DC today, but i'm not gonna hold Dettori responsible. Props to Invasor, and Premium Tap fought hard, but Invasor was much the best today. Great horse!

Hickory Hill Hoff · #14 03-31-2007, 04:48 PM

Godolphin shut out and didn't have a very good "Carnival "
revenge for our high gas prices!!!!!!!!!!!

hoovesupsideyourhead · #15 03-31-2007, 04:53 PM

j rose in the 9th..it rates up there..

ArlJim78 · #16 03-31-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem10011

It simply comes down to Dettori not having any horse whatsoever today! I agree he didn't look comfortable at all, for whatever reason. Franki doesn't deserve the blame, IMO. I lost coin on DC today, but i'm not gonna hold Dettori responsible. Props to Invasor, and Premium Tap fought hard, but Invasor was much the best today. Great horse!

Good post, this is an example of how to take a loss. No BS, no excuses, or bitterness.

Just state the facts, learn what you can, then move on.

blaming the jockey in this instance is simply not seeing things for what they are.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #17 03-31-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Good post, this is an example of how to take a loss. No BS, no excuses, or bitterness.

Just state the facts, learn what you can, then move on.

blaming the jockey in this instance is simply not seeing things for what they are.

I think we tend to blame the jock too many times...it just wasn't D.C.'s day.

somerfrost · #18 03-31-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Good post, this is an example of how to take a loss. No BS, no excuses, or bitterness.

Just state the facts, learn what you can, then move on.

blaming the jockey in this instance is simply not seeing things for what they are.

I totally agree, DC wasn't himself today for whatever reason...the jockey had no horse, plain and simple. I can see blaming a jock when a horse goes eight wide and loses a nose or is run into a box, but to see that race and think Frankie had any blame whatsoever shows, quite frankly, no understanding of horse racing!

Rileyoriley · #19 03-31-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

While I totally agree that his ride on Kotashan was the worst, he didnt have horse from the start. DC looked horrible in the post, didnt want anything to do with loading,while washing out. Yeah that training up to the race worked out well. But "my" Premium Tap did not do bad at all!!! And InVaSor is just amazing. Now lets see if we get to see him agian.

Loved that stretch run! Nothing like watching 2 warriors battle.

As for DC, he looked uncomfortable 2 strides from the gate. Almost like he was "ouchy" but couldn't figure out what hurt. Maybe pulled a muscle. Did it look to anyone else like he kept switching leads? Definitely not the same horse I saw up at Saratoga. I wouldn't be surprized if they discovered an injury tomorrow after he's been in a stall all night.

SOREHOOF · #20 04-01-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Good post, this is an example of how to take a loss. No BS, no excuses, or bitterness.

Just state the facts, learn what you can, then move on.

blaming the jockey in this instance is simply not seeing things for what they are.

Absolutely.