Jamie Sanders

[Left Bank]

Does this woman have a problem?Is there something that I am not seeing in the past performances that she is?I do NOT even think this woman can read a condition book.I totally agree with Andy Beyer,in that this woman is on a mission to destroy Teuflesberg.What the F_ck is she thinking?This horse has ZERO graded stakes earnings,has been getting his ass handed to him,and now she is taking him to the Preakness?You have got to be kidding me!!God help the horses under her care.This is almost to the point of abuse.And,she is now doing the same thing with some of her other horses,Little Springer and Cape of Storms.Both were entered last week in the G-3 Kentucky breeders cup,and neither of them showed anything that would make a sensible trainer enter them in that race.I think this is the same way it all started out for Teuflesberg.Does she smoke good weed?Or is she just naturally stupid?Sorry,but if I was Nick Zito,I would be on the phone telling her to stop telling people she used to work for me,because in my opinion all she is doing is embarrassing him by saying that.Is there anything anyone can do to stop this idiot?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Does this woman have a problem?Is there something that I am not seeing in the past performances that she is?I do NOT even think this woman can read a condition book.I totally agree with Andy Beyer,in that this woman is on a mission to destroy Teuflesberg.What the F_ck is she thinking?This horse has ZERO graded stakes earnings,has been getting his ass handed to him,and now she is taking him to the Preakness?You have got to be kidding me!!God help the horses under her care.This is almost to the point of abuse.And,she is now doing the same thing with some of her other horses,Little Springer and Cape of Storms.Both were entered last week in the G-3 Kentucky breeders cup,and neither of them showed anything that would make a sensible trainer enter them in that race.I think this is the same way it all started out for Teuflesberg.Does she smoke good weed?Or is she just naturally stupid?Sorry,but if I was Nick Zito,I would be on the phone telling her to stop telling people she used to work for me,because in my opinion all she is doing is embarrassing him by saying that.Is there anything anyone can do to stop this idiot?

I have to agree with you.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I have to agree with you.

It's a hard business and she's had little success so far but I admire her effort. She's been schooled by two of the best and I suspect she knows a little about training. Teuflesberg won the Southwest Stakes, a 250k race and has hit the board in several graded stake races, saying he had zero graded earnings is incorrect, he had over $100,000 or he wouldn't have made the Derby. He lost the Bluegrass by a neck...I don't see why he didn't belong in the Derby field based on his past performances. It's funny...folks always complain about how infrequently horses run then when someone actually runs their horse, they complain about that. If the horse is sound, why not go to a track that historically with tight turns and a shorter distance favors horses with speed? It will be the horse's 6th start of the season...I don't see a problem!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Does this woman have a problem?Is there something that I am not seeing in the past performances that she is?I do NOT even think this woman can read a condition book.I totally agree with Andy Beyer,in that this woman is on a mission to destroy Teuflesberg.What the F_ck is she thinking?This horse has ZERO graded stakes earnings,has been getting his ass handed to him,and now she is taking him to the Preakness?You have got to be kidding me!!God help the horses under her care.This is almost to the point of abuse.And,she is now doing the same thing with some of her other horses,Little Springer and Cape of Storms.Both were entered last week in the G-3 Kentucky breeders cup,and neither of them showed anything that would make a sensible trainer enter them in that race.I think this is the same way it all started out for Teuflesberg.Does she smoke good weed?Or is she just naturally stupid?Sorry,but if I was Nick Zito,I would be on the phone telling her to stop telling people she used to work for me,because in my opinion all she is doing is embarrassing him by saying that.Is there anything anyone can do to stop this idiot?

WOW! strong words...but YOUR right! You would think Lukas was her mentor.
It's really too bad, maybe she just wants her "10 minutes of fame".
But, there have been trainers in the past that have done the same thing along the Triple Crown trail...
it doesn't surprise me at all!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Does this woman have a problem?Is there something that I am not seeing in the past performances that she is?I do NOT even think this woman can read a condition book.I totally agree with Andy Beyer,in that this woman is on a mission to destroy Teuflesberg.What the F_ck is she thinking?This horse has ZERO graded stakes earnings,has been getting his ass handed to him,and now she is taking him to the Preakness?You have got to be kidding me!!God help the horses under her care.This is almost to the point of abuse.And,she is now doing the same thing with some of her other horses,Little Springer and Cape of Storms.Both were entered last week in the G-3 Kentucky breeders cup,and neither of them showed anything that would make a sensible trainer enter them in that race.I think this is the same way it all started out for Teuflesberg.Does she smoke good weed?Or is she just naturally stupid?Sorry,but if I was Nick Zito,I would be on the phone telling her to stop telling people she used to work for me,because in my opinion all she is doing is embarrassing him by saying that.Is there anything anyone can do to stop this idiot?

-- Lost the Blue Grass by 4 feet. Is that so awful?
-- You're wrong about the graded earnings. Right?
-- She paid $8,000 for the horse and he's earned $400,000+. Is that so bad?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

While I agree with your points, going in the Preakness seems pretty stupid at this point. Losing the Bluegrass by a neck is one thing, but lets not forget he went in something crazy like 26 and 52, while unchallenged. I think ultimately she will go to the well one too many times and end this very talented colts career prematurely.

This I agree...the female version of D.Wayne

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

This I agree...the female version of D.Wayne

The horse was four wide with the pace in the Derby, not surprising that he tired. The horse has hit the board only once in six tries at CD, that an alw win...he may well dislike the surface. Again, I think it's unfair to criticize her at this point...she knows the horse, she trains and owns him. Besides, horses do run poorly in the Derby and rebound in the Preakness...if he's sound, she has every right to run him.

[robfla]

POST DERBY QUOTES:
JAMIE SANDERS (trainer, Teuflesberg, 17th) -- “I’m sure Street Sense was the best horse today, but there’s a lot of horses that come back to win the Preakness. Louis Quatorze (Sanders was his exercise rider) ran 16th in this race (in 1996) and came back to win the Preakness.”

“He (Teuflesberg) looked good and he was sitting up there and they kind of cut him off coming out of the turn and he (jockey Stewart Elliott) had to check him--and that was all.”

STEWART ELLIOTT (jockey, Teuflesberg, 17th) – “We were in a great spot. At the three-eighths pole, I was second, and I thought I had more horse than I had. But that was it.”

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As a trainer if he dislikes the surface does it make sense to run him in the Derby then?

I don't know if he dislikes it or not, he was 5/1-0-0 going into the Derby, I just suggested that now that he's 6/1-0-0, it is possible that he didn't like it. I simply see no reason not to try the shorter Preakness if the horse is sound. The poly to dirt thing is pretty confusing, some horses (Street Sense) appear to like the dirt better, some (Dominican) may like poly...coming out of the Blue Grass where the horse ran well...it's possible he didn't like CD.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

It's a hard business and she's had little success so far but I admire her effort. She's been schooled by two of the best and I suspect she knows a little about training. Teuflesberg won the Southwest Stakes, a 250k race and has hit the board in several graded stake races, saying he had zero graded earnings is incorrect, he had over $100,000 or he wouldn't have made the Derby. He lost the Bluegrass by a neck...I don't see why he didn't belong in the Derby field based on his past performances. It's funny...folks always complain about how infrequently horses run then when someone actually runs their horse, they complain about that. If the horse is sound, why not go to a track that historically with tight turns and a shorter distance favors horses with speed? It will be the horse's 6th start of the season...I don't see a problem!

This horse has been campaigning non-stop since October racing 10 times in seven months on six tracks. He is running against the top of the heap for the most part and against horses that have had breaks. While she has every right to run him where she wants, it doesn't appear that she has any real plan other than finding the next race on the schedule that is about 3-4 weeks out.

The horse has been game in many of these races, but it does seem to me that the well has run dry and he needs a break and or some class relief. There is nothing about his derby performance that would indicate that he will bounce back in two weeks against similar competition.

And using the BlueGrass as evidence that this horse belongs at this level is crazy. You have to know what a pace aberration that race was. All of his other Graded stakes attempts were marginal at best, and often horrible.

[tiznowthegreat]

It's not just Teuflesberg. Look at her entries this entire past week at Churchill. She had a horse in most every stakes, they were always the longest price on the board, and I don't think that one even hit the board. She had 3 alone in the 2 year old stakes on Thursday.

[MISTERGEE]

might be the naseem rauf of stakes racing

[brianwspencer]

Nobody is knocking the horse -- he's done a hell of a job for the price that they paid for him and he's brought home some nice checks.

Imagine what he could be doing if he was put in proper spots? Being life and death in every race to suck in enough air to last for a check is certainly a noble accomplishment, but not a good barometer of what this horse can do. Sanders doesn't get her abysmal percentages in a void -- Teuflesburg is just her highest profile example of a horse getting thrown to the wolves at every turn in hopes of sucking up some purse money. Everyone here has been saying for some time now that this horse would be a formidable match in races in the 6-8 furlong range, but for the time being it doesn't look like he'll get the shot. He's been entered in these spots dating all the way back to the very beginning of his career, and I second the poster who said that at some point Sanders is going to regret her endless campaign because the well is going to dry up one of these days.

Sure, she'll have made a pretty penny on it with his earnings, but she'll have hurt the horse's chances to develop into the type of horse who can possibly legitimately contend in big races at less than a mile.

If it's not out of stupidity or pure brazenness, what is it? It's clear that she's not using the money for anything constructive -- like a dye job better than a $9 pharmacy box or a Wal-Mart pantsuit for Derby Day.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

might be the naseem rauf of stakes racing

Murray Garren where have you gone!

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

It's not just Teuflesberg. Look at her entries this entire past week at Churchill. She had a horse in most every stakes, they were always the longest price on the board, and I don't think that one even hit the board. She had 3 alone in the 2 year old stakes on Thursday.

That's what I'm saying.She did the exact same thing with Teuflesberg,same races I think.She has no idea what she is doing,and her .02 win percentage shows it.She is ruining these fine animals.

[JJP]

This woman is completely clueless. She has no idea how to place her horses. If she "learned" that from Zito, he isn't much of a teacher. I feel sorry for the horse.

[VOL JACK]

Someone needs to let her know there are some big races for 3yo spinters where she could actually cash a check. Since she is paid on what the horse earns.

[King Glorious]

I can't recall seeing this much agreement over a subject on this forum. Add me to the list too. I started a thread on another forum before the Derby asking the question "Where Did She Get Her License?" This is beyond ridiculous. If she's so intent on running the horse every 3-4 weeks, that's one thing. But have a plan and put him in spots where he has a chance to be competitive. And to use the Blue Grass result as justification that he had a shot in the Derby is completely wrong. We may not be the greatest of handicappers on here but when nine of 10 of us can obviously see something, perhaps we are right. He set extremely slow fractions and STILL couldn't hold on. There was nothing to even remotely indicate that he would do better with a faster pace and another furlong. Elliott says "I thought I had more horse than I had. But that was it." If she won't listen to us, if she won't listen to reason, listen to the man that was on his back. She says the horse talks to her. LISTEN TO THE DAMN HORSE!!!

Another thing that needs to put to rest is this silly stuff about the tighter turns and shorter distance of the Preakness. For one, the layout is not much different than Churchill. I remember a few years ago, the network that was doing the Preakness super-imposed a picture of the Pimlico layout over the Churchill one and it was surprisingly similar. Also, it's only 110 yards shorter. Technically, it's a shorter race. But if u have a horse that can't get the Derby distance, he's 95% unlikely to get the Preakness distance.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Someone needs to let her know there are some big races for 3yo spinters where she could actually cash a check. Since she is paid on what the horse earns.

Actually, she is part owner of the horse so she isn't exactly "paid".

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Say it however you want, the more money the horse makes, the more she makes.

That's true...wow, we agree finally!