Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

[somerfrost]

I've been watching CNN tonight and one thing is clear...Israel faces a task with no really acceptable solution...and the fault clearly lies in the bowels of two insane countries...Iran and Syria! I hate the thought of war but how long can we tolerate these clowns thumbing their noses at us while they channel money, weapons and radicalism to these butchers? Time to draw the line...tell Syria and Iran that they either stop funding these crazies and attempting to throw any government that even appears to be heading toward democracy into chaos or we will stop them! There are innocent Americans in Israel, innocent Americans in Lebanon, and a country full of innocent folks in Israel....yes, there are innocent folks in the Arab lands as well, but these governments are corrupt to their core and simply evil. Either they stop the killing or they die by the very sword they wield!!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I've been watching CNN tonight and one thing is clear...Israel faces a task with no really acceptable solution...and the fault clearly lies in the bowels of two insane countries...Iran and Syria! I hate the thought of war but how long can we tolerate these clowns thumbing their noses at us while they channel money, weapons and radicalism to these butchers? Time to draw the line...tell Syria and Iran that they either stop funding these crazies and attempting to throw any government that even appears to be heading toward democracy into chaos or we will stop them! There are innocent Americans in Israel, innocent Americans in Lebanon, and a country full of innocent folks in Israel....yes, there are innocent folks in the Arab lands as well, but these governments are corrupt to their core and simply evil. Either they stop the killing or they die by the very sword they wield!!

"You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists."

Iran and Syria aren't with the terrorists ... they are the terrorists.

It's way past time to take out Junior Assad, Ahmadinejad, and Khamenei. Start at the top ... and work our way down the line.

[Seattleallstar]

frosty, there are innocent Lebanese in Lebanon too. Seriously though, if this escalates enough we'll get dragged into it, but Israel seems to be doing just fine right now.

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

The only peace that terrorists understand comes from violent death! The lion may someday lay with the lamb but there will be peace in this region only after the last terrorist is laid in his/her grave! I wish it were not so, I wish that the hatred and brutality could be replaced with a genuine respect for human life....but I accept the reality and the right of Israel to defend itself. If that means the annihilation of Iran, Syria and Lebanon...so it will be!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

I don't know how you can compare Israel to terrorists. That reminds me of people who think that Bush is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Olmert has given Syria 72 hours to "throw in the towel" or Damascus is chopped liver.

Personally, I am calling on the "Gods of War" to see that his demand is IGNORED.

As I type IAF planes are dismantling various Lebanese ports. Lebanon is now a country with no means of exit or entry.

The reasoning behind the 72 hour window is that it will give us the necessary time to finish bombing this "joint" back into the early 80's. Hopefully the Lebanese army will be deployed to clear out the southern portion of Lebanon. This should provoke another hoped for Civil War.

Once again there is the POSSIBILITY of a "winning lottery ticket". HOPEFULLY Hezbollah will make some type of MOVE on the 25,000 Americans trying to be evacuated from the country.

Dateline: Caesarea, Israel

Not a chance and as usual you are wrong.

The last thing Israel wants is for this to escalate significantly. What will happen is this... It will go on for 3-4 more days until it all shakes out and Israel decides how much (not if) they're going to give in to demands. I really wish they wouldn't because when Israel negotiates with the less-savory elements it only perpetuates and promotes this kind of activity.

But, as we all know, Israel ALWAYS negotiates. Instead of having the stones to actually do more than lob missles which are killing hundreds, if not thousands of innocent Lebanese, they will, as always, give in and acceed to some extent.

Israel ALWAYS negotiates. Did it in 1972, did it a couple years ago. Will do it again in the next 5-7 days. They'll do it again two years from now.

All that will come of this is in the end is a badly damaged fledlging democracy in Lebanon struggle to survive and to feed and water their people.

Israel will not march into Syria. Israel will not go to Iran. Why should they? After all, it's far easier to put down the slingshot-toting Palestinians and lob some missles at the Democratic country of Lebanon.

All insignificant little countries, with the exception of Iran. Who cares about Syria, Lebanon, Israel, etc. They are little blips on the big world picture. They are all run by religious wackos. You could take all three of them off the map and nothing would change in the world. In 20yrs from now, if the US gets off its dependence of foreign oil and looks to Canada for all of its imported oil, the middle east will be nothing more than a bunch of crazy people that have been fighting for hundreds of years over a ridiculous issue like religion.

Russia, China, North Korea, all much more important than these insignificant countries.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Olmert has given Syria 72 hours to "throw in the towel" or Damascus is chopped liver.

48 hours ... and counting.

Let us pray that Junior Assad is as dumb as he looks.

Originally Posted by boldruler

All insignificant little countries, with the exception of Iran. Who cares about Syria, Lebanon, Israel, etc. They are little blips on the big world picture. They are all run by religious wackos. You could take all three of them off the map and nothing would change in the world. In 20yrs from now, if the US gets off its dependence of foreign oil and looks to Canada for all of its imported oil, the middle east will be nothing more than a bunch of crazy people that have been fighting for hundreds of years over a ridiculous issue like religion.

Russia, China, North Korea, all much more important than these insignificant countries.

Quite right.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know how you can compare Israel to terrorists. That reminds me of people who think that Bush is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

The ultra-leftists don't believe a word of what they themselves are saying.

They just viscerally hate America and Israel ... and are willing to ally themselves with any of their enemies regardless of how vicious and inhuman they are ... because America and Israel are the big obstacles to leftist world domination.

The leftists hate not having power ... and they know that America and Israel are the reasons why they don't.

Price of oil is about to explode. Hmmmmm, should I buy a Vespa now or later.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The ultra-leftists don't believe a word of what they themselves are saying.

They just viscerally hate America and Israel ... and are willing to ally themselves with any of their enemies regardless of how vicious and inhuman they are ... because America and Israel are the big obstacles to leftist world domination.

The leftists hate not having power ... and they know that America and Israel are the reasons why they don't.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Off the deep end today you go!!!!

Well, it's been a very bad weekend for the radical right (neo-conservatives, as they say), today especially:

1. Bush and Omert aren't talking. Then again, Bush doesn't speak to the heads of state of Japan or South Korea either. Just wtf do he and Tony Blair talk about all day and night?

2. The rest of the world ain't exactly falling over themselves to defend Israel's generally characterized "disproportionate" response. Russia, no. Europeans, nope. Anyone else? No, sorry, they're all busy trying to find peace.

3. Why doesn't Condie Rice get her scrawny butt over there and start doing her job? It's called shuttle diplomacy. Henry Kissinger must be turning in his grave. Warren Christopher too. Can it be Rice is too busy working with the Chinese over N. Korea? Nope. She's not welcome there either. (And boy, did the Chinese do some job on our behalf trying to get North Korea to back off it's activities). How does Colin Powell manage the restraint to refrain from commenting?!?

4. Sean Hannity called pretty much all the European nations anti-semites for not embraing Isreal's over-response. Radical righthanders at least have good old Hannity to fall back on, because, ....

5. You all saw and heard none other than that bastion of modulation, Newt Gingrich on "Meet The Press" today bashing the Bush Administration for it's failure to execute Middle East policy successfully. I thought Russert was going to toss his cookies he was so surprised. No political strategy for the Iraqi nation, no reaching out to the Sunnis (read oil money) and just total and utter failure at military infrastructure. Like me, 60% of Americans and about 95% of the rest of the world, he's just tired of Bush's and Rumsfel'ds failure to get the job done.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't think the war was a terrible idea. But it would be nice if we weren't acting like the clown army of the world in Iraq. I also voted for Bush, twice. I admit my hand shook a bit in '04 as I voted. But after all, as Lewis Black says, "what the hell is there to do when your choices are two bowls of sh1t?"

6. We did see Condie Rice say that while Israel has the right to defend itself, there is no chance for peace without a 2-state solution. Nice to hear, but really, it is so very lamentable that it takes this kind of action to get the Roadmap To Peace" back into meaningful dialogue. And poorly advised of the U.S. to say this. It only serves to boost Hezbollah and the extreme portion of Hamas in importance. Not sure I'd have done that.

7. Bush's remarks today and yesterday also have to be of concern to the ultra-radical right here and in Israel. He certainly doesn't come across as particularly happy.

8. Iraq coalition nations are obviously getting pissed off at having to do Israel's heavy lifting in Iraq and are wanting to see some closure to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. While it's comforting to know that Estonia (35 troops currently in Iraq), Macedonia (33) and Kazakhstan (28) are ommitted, ALL the nations of the world are asking, "Where the heck are the Israeli troops?" Can someone tell us why Israel has not had a single soldier on the ground in Iraq?

9. It's sad to see the fledgling democray in Lebanon being held hostage. The government is fairly weak and their army is not all that loyal. Instead of embracing Lebanon and making sure the UN placed security troops in the southern part of that nation, the U.S. and Israel found other things to do. Also, the U.S. and Israel took the shortest, easiest path in Lebanon and did not force out the Hezbollah group totally from power.

10. Whatever happened to that s.o.b. Osama Bin Laden? That guy is a mofo for sure, but he has got to be first-ballot for sure into the Hide-and-go-Seek Hall of Fame.

12. As an aside... 15% Oil. 15% Precious Metals. 70% Cash. Wait until you see the end of all this mess, which of course, will be when you see...

12. The King of Jordan!!! Once he gets involved (and you see him on the BROADCAST national news), it's pretty much a solved situation and a done deal. Get back in the next morning!

13. The world is expressing it's disdain for US and Israeli policy. The world is tired of the legitimacy brought to Hezbollah by the Gaza and Golan issues. The world wants to see this end... and the only way, according to the world, is to remove the reasons for legitimizing Hezbollah and other thugly folks. Get the peace process going and going strong, never stop no matter what... that way, there is no legitimizing issue for the Hezbo. It is really that simple. Even if it isn't, it ain't exactly as if what the U.S. and Israel are doing is working now!

Make peace not war.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

LOLOLOLOLOL. Off the deep end today you go!!!!

Well, it's been a very bad weekend for the radical right (neo-conservatives, as they say), today especially:

1. Bush and Omert aren't talking. Then again, Bush doesn't speak to the heads of state of Japan or South Korea either. Just wtf do he and Tony Blair talk about all day and night?

2. The rest of the world ain't exactly falling over themselves to defend Israel's generally characterized "disproportionate" response. Russia, no. Europeans, nope. Anyone else? No, sorry, they're all busy trying to find peace.

3. Why doesn't Condie Rice get her scrawny butt over there and start doing her job? It's called shuttle diplomacy. Henry Kissinger must be turning in his grave. Warren Christopher too. Can it be Rice is too busy working with the Chinese over N. Korea? Nope. She's not welcome there either. (And boy, did the Chinese do some job on our behalf trying to get North Korea to back off it's activities). How does Colin Powell manage the restraint to refrain from commenting?!?

4. Sean Hannity called pretty much all the European nations anti-semites for not embraing Isreal's over-response. Radical righthanders at least have good old Hannity to fall back on, because, ....

5. You all saw and heard none other than that bastion of modulation, Newt Gingrich on "Meet The Press" today bashing the Bush Administration for it's failure to execute Middle East policy successfully. I thought Russert was going to toss his cookies he was so surprised. No political strategy for the Iraqi nation, no reaching out to the Sunnis (read oil money) and just total and utter failure at military infrastructure. Like me, 60% of Americans and about 95% of the rest of the world, he's just tired of Bush's and Rumsfel'ds failure to get the job done.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't think the war was a terrible idea. But it would be nice if we weren't acting like the clown army of the world in Iraq. I also voted for Bush, twice. I admit my hand shook a bit in '04 as I voted. But after all, as Lewis Black says, "what the hell is there to do when your choices are two bowls of sh1t?"

6. We did see Condie Rice say that while Israel has the right to defend itself, there is no chance for peace without a 2-state solution. Nice to hear, but really, it is so very lamentable that it takes this kind of action to get the Roadmap To Peace" back into meaningful dialogue. And poorly advised of the U.S. to say this. It only serves to boost Hezbollah and the extreme portion of Hamas in importance. Not sure I'd have done that.

7. Bush's remarks today and yesterday also have to be of concern to the ultra-radical right here and in Israel. He certainly doesn't come across as particularly happy.

8. Iraq coalition nations are obviously getting pissed off at having to do Israel's heavy lifting in Iraq and are wanting to see some closure to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. While it's comforting to know that Estonia (35 troops currently in Iraq), Macedonia (33) and Kazakhstan (28) are ommitted, ALL the nations of the world are asking, "Where the heck are the Israeli troops?" Can someone tell us why Israel has not had a single soldier on the ground in Iraq?

9. It's sad to see the fledgling democray in Lebanon being held hostage. The government is fairly weak and their army is not all that loyal. Instead of embracing Lebanon and making sure the UN placed security troops in the southern part of that nation, the U.S. and Israel found other things to do. Also, the U.S. and Israel took the shortest, easiest path in Lebanon and did not force out the Hezbollah group totally from power.

10. Whatever happened to that s.o.b. Osama Bin Laden? That guy is a mofo for sure, but he has got to be first-ballot for sure into the Hide-and-go-Seek Hall of Fame.

12. As an aside... 15% Oil. 15% Precious Metals. 70% Cash. Wait until you see the end of all this mess, which of course, will be when you see...

12. The King of Jordan!!! Once he gets involved (and you see him on the BROADCAST national news), it's pretty much a solved situation and a done deal. Get back in the next morning!

13. The world is expressing it's disdain for US and Israeli policy. The world is tired of the legitimacy brought to Hezbollah by the Gaza and Golan issues. The world wants to see this end... and the only way, according to the world, is to remove the reasons for legitimizing Hezbollah and other thugly folks. Get the peace process going and going strong, never stop no matter what... that way, there is no legitimizing issue for the Hezbo. It is really that simple. Even if it isn't, it ain't exactly as if what the U.S. and Israel are doing is working now!

Make peace not war.

All sounds good...but how do you have a peace process when one side is populated with thugs, murderers and terrorists who don't want peace...will never accept a peaceful solution unless it involves the eradication of every last Jew in the Middle East (for now, later it will be our turn)???

[Seattleallstar]

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

you need a a trip to the blue oyster and your love problems will be solved..you may walk funny though//not that its wrong.......its raining ten divisions of men halah looya....lmfao..

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

you need a a trip to the blue oyster and your love problems will be solved..you may walk funny though//not that its wrong.......its raining ten divisions of men halah looya....lmfao..

what the hell kind of response was that

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

what the hell kind of response was that

Please explain your rather loopy post first ... then we can get to the other one.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

Umm... aren't you the person that talks about how you drive around your mom's BMW 740Li and that you shop and Burberry? I guess driving around Mommy and Daddy's 75K (base price) car doesn't make you privileged. Or is all that BMW/Burberry talk a lie?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

There were innocent Germans we carpet bombed the **** out of in WWII, does that mean we shouldn't have done what was necessary to take a a stand against Hitler?
The mark of a true man is one that can accept ugliness, unideal moral behavior. and micro-stupidity as a fact of life, yet understand the innerworkings of such and use them to achieve the maximum possible greater good for humanity. "And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men.trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love,but they had the strength,the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion,without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us. "

That quote it says is to do what is necessary takes sacrifice, even if it means your soul.

So for you urban snobs, left/right wing religious idiots, and self serving intellectual "elites," You score 0 points witht the rest of us who weren't born into circumstances of being rich, elite.

Yikes! You cannot defend that which is wrong by cloaking it in necessity, turning men into brainwashed sheep may produce a mighty army but it will not protect each soul from the consequences of immoral acts. Judgement translates to choices and free will mandates that every choice has a consequence. A person cannot be moral and kill without feeling...in war, we take life least ours be taken yet it should haunt us forever, otherwise our very existence is meaningless...life is about choices, love and pain, there is no escape from that and only a fool tries to minimize or justify that which can not be justified!