A Saratoga Crime

fpsoxfan · #1 08-20-2007, 07:41 PM

I will preface my statements by saying this. The DQ in the 5th race today gave me the triple.

With that said, The DQ of Victory for Sierra from 1st to 2nd in the 5th race at the Spa today is the worst DQ I've ever seen. I've been playing the horses since 1987 and this was an absolute crime. The real winner VFS was 3/4 past the runner up and odds on Savasanna, when Savasanna took what appeared to be a bad step just before the wire. But according to a VERY CONFUSED AND BEWILDERED Tom Durkin this is not where the infraction took place. Even in the Shadow replay nobody could tell what happened. I will say this, I was with two guys that happ very large win bets on VFS, and I clearly told them...."Go Cash you tickets, there is nothing. They would have given me the measly triple money I had for their win. This was a joke. The stewards saw something that 95% of the people at the track today did not see.

Sightseek · #2 08-20-2007, 07:50 PM

I meant to watch the replay of this but couldn't figure out why they took the horse down either. I was also feeling horrible because it just never feels right cashing a ticket when something goes wrong with a horse.

Do you know what happened with Savasanna?

fpsoxfan · #3 08-20-2007, 07:52 PM

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Did you see the head on? Savasanna's bad step was a direct result of Victory For Sierra coming in on her. Now, Coa did the horse and the bettors that bet on VFS no favors by continuing to whip right handed when the horse was coming in. I agree there should have been no takedown, because it is not the bettors, owners or trainers fault that Coa refuses to change his habit of trying to put jocks over the rail. I thought she should have stayed up and Coa should have gotten days, which he will. This IS NOT an isolated incident with him.

You are right..Coa has his issues, but you know what really irked me? No Jockeys objection. They were at the wire. Game Over. You and I have both seen much much worse. I nearly tossed my tickets. I thought the inquiry was more or less a formality. We were around 100 people who were just stunned. My buddy had $200 to win and a 20 Exacta Box. I felt bad for him.

Sightseek · #4 08-20-2007, 08:04 PM

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I thought I heard Blewitt say she was okay on thoroughbred action, but I could be wrong.

Thanks, I hope so.

Sightseek · #5 08-20-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

You are right..Coa has his issues, but you know what really irked me? No Jockeys objection. They were at the wire. Game Over. You and I have both seen much much worse. I nearly tossed my tickets. I thought the inquiry was more or less a formality. We were around 100 people who were just stunned. My buddy had $200 to win and a 20 Exacta Box. I felt bad for him.

I thought so too and while I didn't have the exacta for that much, it certainly did make a difference.

Antitrust32 · #6 08-20-2007, 08:08 PM

... no way that 3 should have been takin' down. best horse in the race. I cant believe they took that down and left Lady Joanne up. Doesnt make sense.

fpsoxfan · #7 08-20-2007, 08:11 PM

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I thought I heard Blewitt say she was okay on thoroughbred action, but I could be wrong.

I'm very glad to hear that. She nearly went down.

fpsoxfan · #8 08-20-2007, 08:14 PM

I still had to chuckle listening to Durkin try to explain what happened. You could just tell in his voice that the whole thing was a crock of shiat.

Antitrust32 · #9 08-20-2007, 08:14 PM

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Why should Lady Joanne have come down?

i'm not saying she should have... but keep the calls consistant, it was about the same interference in todays race as in the Alabama.

Antitrust32 · #10 08-20-2007, 08:22 PM

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Like I said earlier, I don't think the horse should have come down today either. But the incident in the Alabama wasn't even close to this. I thought Lady Joanne had about a length when she came over near the rail Johnny V never stopped riding and he did not check at all. Desormeaux almost went down today as a result of Coa's actions and he did absolutely nothing to try and keep the horse straight. It's unfortunate for the bettors, but I think the stewards might be trying to send a message to Coa.

I just wish I had not been caught in the middle of the stewards message to coa!

fpsoxfan · #11 08-20-2007, 08:35 PM

The thing that made the whole thing even more strange is that Coa had the race under wraps and it looked like Kent was all set to be content with second. Watch Kent win the Jockeys race by one win.

MaTH716 · #12 08-20-2007, 08:38 PM

I just watched the replay, and Coa's horse was clearly the best. I think if Kent just checks his horse Coa stays up. But since the horse almost went down and the jockey involved has been sent to the principals office a few times they felt compelled to DQ him. Maybe they are trying to send a message, but I disagree with them here. Coa was clear and the whip was put away when the horse drifted in the shadow of the wire.

Question about the 6th. Did they take a look at that race? It looked like Desormeaux slammed the door on Gomez on the rail. I didn't see the head on but GG had to check hard. Was there room for him, because it seemed that he had some horse. There was no mention of an inquiry on the replay show and they left Kent up for third.

fpsoxfan · #13 08-20-2007, 08:44 PM

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I just watched the replay, and Coa's horse was clearly the best. I think if Kent just checks his horse Coa stays up. But since the horse almost went down and the jockey involved has been sent to the principals office a few times they felt compelled to DQ him. Maybe they are trying to send a message, but I disagree with them here. Coa was clear and the whip was put away when the horse drifted in the shadow of the wire.

Question about the 6th. Did they take a look at that race? It looked like Desormeaux slammed the door on Gomez on the rail. I didn't see the head on but GG had to check hard. Was there room for him, because it seemed that he had some horse. There was no mention of an inquiry on the replay show and they left Kent up for third.

I was wondering when someone was going to mention this. That was one rough race. We all thought there was going to be some serious blinking, but there was nothing.

Scav · #14 08-20-2007, 08:56 PM

If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted

Scav · #15 08-20-2007, 09:04 PM

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Scavs, when the horse was cut off, it was very close to the wire and the race was no longer in question. How as a bettor can you be okay with YOU being penalized for a mistake Coa made and has made. The race wasn't in question anymore. It is not right for the bettor, or the connections.

the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO

fpsoxfan · #16 08-20-2007, 09:05 PM

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If that 3 horse didn't deserve to come down, then I must be blind.

While I will agree that the 8 was drifting out, the 3 (Who I know a couple of the partners EXTREMELY WELL) bumped the 8 while on even terms twice, and then straight up cut him off making him what looked like clipping heels.

I feel the DQ was warranted

You saw something that I didn't see. Read the NY Post tomorrow and see what they say. It was a horrible call by the stewards. Out of the 100 people standing around us probably 75 needed the 8 horse on top(because it was chalk) and not one person could understand what happened.

fpsoxfan · #17 08-20-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

the 3 bumped into the 8 multiple times, one of them knocking him sideways, before all of that. You couple that on top of that cut off, where Desormeux almost got dumped, and you have a warranted DQ. I don't disagree that the 3 was the best horse but it is hard to argue with that DQ IMO

Huh??????

Scav · #18 08-20-2007, 09:07 PM

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Huh??????

I am going to watch it one more time, 1 second

deltagulf · #19 08-20-2007, 09:08 PM

yea if you watch closely there are a lot of jockeys that don't ride it out.

which is very wrong. the stewards should do something call them in and have a talk with them.

fpsoxfan · #20 08-20-2007, 09:08 PM

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I don't know if the NY Post will help our arguement here, IMO they leave something to be desired racing wise.

Bad example I know, but they always have a "look through the binocs" and I'm sure tomorrow they will be going nuts.