Vick

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree and that DT'er sounds like a real sharp guy. Seriously, this isn't something that I can forget. I'm a dog guy, so I am definitely biased, but the more details come out, the more it makes me sick. This is a bad man. Since he has yet to show any remorse, since he doesn't think he did anything wrong, I seriously doubt he will all of the sudden realize it in jail. he'll realize how much he phucked up, but that's about it.

Couldn't agree more. I highly doubt he ever shows any remorse for those dogs... the only thing he'll regret is getting caught.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Thanks for clearing that up.

I had been wondering about that for some time.

Fucl< you, Sal.

[Rags]

This was a cool and calculated act by Vick and his accomplices. It was not an act of rage or a one time mistake.


Irregardless of any prison time he will receive the public has a short memory and Americans like to forgive. It is going to be the NFL's job to see that he never plays another down in their league. If the NFL shirks their responsibility then it is the owner's themselves that must step up and see that he is never offered another contract.

There is no margin for error in this type of ongoing cruelty. These actions by Vick and others should never be forgiven or excused.

[SentToStud]

Vick will be back in the NFL. There are lots of convicted felons and wife beaters in the NFL. As long as there is room for guys like A.J. Feeley and Joey Harrington in the league, there will be a place for Vick.

[kenny p]

Originally Posted by Scav

I for one think that once this news gets to prison he will be treated like a molester or pervert. he might not make it out. NOW THAT will be a story

Not gonna happen. Vick will be treated like a hero in the joint. Dont forget dogfighting is very popular in certain parts of the country. Some people even feel that he didnt do anything wrong. He will play in the in the NFL again KP

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kenny p

Not gonna happen. Vick will be treated like a hero in the joint. Dont forget dogfighting is very popular in certain parts of the country. Some people even feel that he didnt do anything wrong. He will play in the in the NFL again KP

You think all of those sorry mother f uckers in there are going to be running to him with open arms? Please... let's get real here. All they're going to see is some punk who they KNOW will get out earlier than them because of who he is. I highly doubt he'll be popular.

[King Glorious]

Let's see if I have this right:

He should be banned for life from the NFL for his gambling. Just like Alex Karras, Art Schlichter and Paul Hornung were. Wait, they were only suspended and let back in the following season.
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Kill three teenagers with a DUI=spend a year in jail and come back to the NFL-
Reggie Rogers

Kill a woman with a DUI=spend 90 days in jail and suspended for eight games.

Kills dogs=should spend your life in prison and be banned from the NFL for life.

Yeah, that sounds like the way it should be. I'd love to see the NFL rep that would get to explain to the families of those four HUMANS killed by Reggie Rogers and Leonard Little why the value of the dogs' lives mean more than their loved one's did and the penalty should be stiffer.
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Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't get it. Dog lives are more important than human lives. Why can't I get that?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Let's see if I have this right:

He should be banned for life from the NFL for his gambling. Just like Alex Karras, Art Schlichter and Paul Hornung were. Wait, they were only suspended and let back in the following season.
________________________

Kill three teenagers with a DUI=spend a year in jail and come back to the NFL-
Reggie Rogers

Kill a woman with a DUI=spend 90 days in jail and suspended for eight games.

Kills dogs=should spend your life in prison and be banned from the NFL for life.

Yeah, that sounds like the way it should be. I'd love to see the NFL rep that would get to explain to the families of those four HUMANS killed by Reggie Rogers and Leonard Little why the value of the dogs' lives mean more than their loved one's did and the penalty should be stiffer.
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Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't get it. Dog lives are more important than human lives. Why can't I get that?

Well, you are right. The NFL is by far the most competitive sports environment there is. Both at the player level and team level. As long as he is better than someone else, he'll play. That's all there is to it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, you are right. The NFL is by far the most competitive sports environment there is. Both at the player level and team level. As long as he is better than someone else, he'll play. That's all there is to it.

There aren't too many QB's that he is better than. He may have been a high profile guy but he was not really very good, especially for the amount of $$$ he was getting.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There aren't too many QB's that he is better than. He may have been a high profile guy but he was not really very good, especially for the amount of $$$ he was getting.

Close to the most ridiculous item of the day.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was hoping you would chime in. I have to say, I figured you might have as bit less attitude, since you are obviously in the minority with the fact that you see nothing wrong with killing dogs, but whatever.

I agree that Leornard Little and Reggie Rogers should have been banned for a specific amount of time. Where it gets tricky is in the crimes they committed. Driving under the influence is a crime, as is dog fighting. However, Rogers and Little did not mean to kill anyone. They did and they should have been punished. But Vick acted in cold blood. Killing basically for the sake of killing. I realize it was not a human, rather an animal, but to me it's the same.

I wouldn't say that I don't see anything wrong with killing dogs. I just don't get as outraged by it as others do. I saw dog fighting for years and while it is barbaric and something I wouldn't do and don't have any interest in watching, it just doesn't evoke the same emotion in me as it does others.

So because those guys didn't mean to do it, it's ok that they should be allowed to come back? They DID mean to drink and they DID mean to drive. They were just as responsible for their actions as Vick was for his.

U say that Vick acted in cold blood. I agree. U say he was killing basically for the sake of killing. I agree again. What is hunting? Taking a gun, hiding out in the woods, waiting for a defenseless animal to come along........then shooting him and putting his head on your car or on your wall. For what? For sport. Isn't that killing just for the sake of killing? Do u feel just as bad for the mother deer that's out in her own environment just trying to survive and gets her head blown off and isn't there to take care of her young? Just so the hunter can brag to his friends and show it off? For the sake of what? Let's be honest here. In either case, it's defenseless animals being killed for human enjoyment. Why is that given a pass? U can even wake up early on Sunday mornings and watch it on ESPN.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I knew the hunting thing was coming and was going to address it. I am 100% against hunting. Seriously I don't understand it. I have had many conversations on this very forum about it. The one difference is hunting is legal. Dog fighting, and then killing dogs that don't fight well is not.

Here's the thing. If he participated in dog fighting it would be one thing. But hearing about how he acted out the killings of the "weaker" dogs, it's pretty sickening. I cannot fathom how a human being can hang a dog and then if it doesn't die, drown it. Sorry, that's phucking sick.

Agree totally! I have long been known as one who is against hunting as well, simply don't see the murderous joy in it...that said, some folks do suppliment their food supply by hunting and I feel they have that right. Basically, if you have limited income and you feed your family by hunting...well, the Wiccan God is horned in honor of the hunt. Hunting is NOT a sport imo...others will disagree. Still, dog fighting is ILLEGAL and the details of Vick's (still) alleged involvement are sickening. No, not meaning to harm someone is not a free pass when one does, we are each responsible for our acts, drunk, stoned or sober. The problem, as I addressed before, with bringing up other folks is that it clouds the main issue...did Vick commit numerous cold-blooded felonies, if he pleads guilty as reported, the answer is "yes"...so, his punishment must be decided by the judge. The NFL has a problem, this is the time to take a stand and ban this (alleged) scumbag for life, anything else will make a mockery of their system regardless of past mistakes. Lets be clear here...he lied about being involved, murdered defenseless animals, gambled huge sums of money, and did all this across state lines....the only NFL he should ever be a part of would be "Notorious F**kups for Life"!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Vick will be back in the NFL. There are lots of convicted felons and wife beaters in the NFL. As long as there is room for guys like A.J. Feeley and Joey Harrington in the league, there will be a place for Vick.

nope.

new code of conduct came out this year.
also, not as tho vick has never had any other issues.

you have ron mexico, aka middle finger flipper at his own fans, aka fake water bottle with hidden compartment that smelled of pot (everyone is aware that drug testing takes place only during the season, right--and that incident was in the off season), aka liar to the commish, dog fighter, gambler, dog killler, bankroller of an ongoing criminal enterprise godfather vick. he's thru.

the ones who sicken me now aren't vick, it's those leaping to his defense, when what he has done is indefensible. he's a sick, twisted, perverted human being. two or three years from now, the next big things will be out. he'll get some press when he gets out, and he'll fade away like maurice clarett--that name ring a bell?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There aren't too many QB's that he is better than. He may have been a high profile guy but he was not really very good, especially for the amount of $$$ he was getting.

i see a guy below this post said this was ridiculous. no, it's not.
vick wasn't even in the top 20 in passer rating last year. even that old fart mark brunell had better numbers. i believe i heard he was at 52%....oh yeah, what a QB!!

he was a personality, a show, not a future hall of fame QB. not even close.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nope.

new code of conduct came out this year.
also, not as tho vick has never had any other issues.

you have ron mexico, aka middle finger flipper at his own fans, aka fake water bottle with hidden compartment that smelled of pot (everyone is aware that drug testing takes place only during the season, right--and that incident was in the off season), aka liar to the commish, dog fighter, gambler, dog killler, bankroller of an ongoing criminal enterprise godfather vick. he's thru.

the ones who sicken me now aren't vick, it's those leaping to his defense, when what he has done is indefensible. he's a sick, twisted, perverted human being. two or three years from now, the next big things will be out. he'll get some press when he gets out, and he'll fade away like maurice clarett--that name ring a bell?

Yep! I understand the Afro-Ameican community remains distrustful of the legal system (with VERY good reason) but this isn't about color, this is about a soul-less coward commiting ungodly acts of cruelty...Kobe was treated differently as was Ray Lewis although speculation revolved concerning more serious crimes because the case against both was always questionable, certainly they should have had their day in court before any action by their leagues, I have said from the beginning that Vick deserved the same...well, Kobe's case was dismissed, it turned out there was no real evidence against Lewis....justice appears to have prevailed. Vick's case has always been hard to ignore because of the known evidence, then the sickening admissions by his "posse"...now, he appears willing to admit what kind of a human being he is...case closed as should be his pro career!

[King Glorious]

Question. Does anyone know how this would be treated if it had happened in one of the two states that this was not a felony?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Question. Does anyone know how this would be treated if it had happened in one of the two states that this was not a felony?

Since the Feds have charged him, I don't see that it would be any different! The state Attorney General has yet to file state charges and probably won't. He crossed state lines and may even have organized crime involvement...wouldn't matter if he lived in Siberia! (joking).

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Question. Does anyone know how this would be treated if it had happened in one of the two states that this was not a felony?

hmmm

maybe you should be vicks lawyer. that would be a hell of a defense. but judge, it's not a felony everywhere. i don't think it's fair that my client was charged since he committed these crimes in the wrong state.


wtf does that have to do with anything? he's a criminal, having committed these crimes for about six years. ever since he was able to afford his very own illegal dog fighting operation. how proud everyone must be of him. i mean, of all the avenues available to him--he chose this one. what a great human being.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Since the Feds have charged him, I don't see that it would be any different! The state Attorney General has yet to file state charges and probably won't. He crossed state lines and may even have organized crime involvement...wouldn't matter if he lived in Siberia! (joking).

i read yesterday that the state intends to press charges now and that they carry more than 5 yrs. IF that is the case, then his nfl career is over.
as it should be.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There aren't too many QB's that he is better than. He may have been a high profile guy but he was not really very good, especially for the amount of $$$ he was getting.


Close to the most ridiculous item of the day.

He was doing a really poor job of running the West Coast offense. They were not getting any better as a team offensively and Vick certainly was not improving at QB.
He was supposed to be the new breed of QB, the runner passer. It just did not work out as planned. And it was not going to work with the offense he was using.

Read articles about Vince Young and what kind of QB they wanted him to be and it was all, "be like McNair, not like Vick". McNair learned to play in the pocket. Vick still had not got it. This was all BEFORE the incident.

Sorry to inject the actual football side in what was a thread on deeds and punishment.