Any Given Saturday..... - Page 2

Cannon Shell · #21 10-27-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

when that lead surprisingly opened up on the back side you knew he'd be in the money. but Curlin's move was powerful and i'd say he dominated the track. my hat is off to him on a great finale. he'll be missed along with Hard Spun, Street Sense, Lawyer Ron and George Washington. Any others from the classic I missed that are retiring ?

Any Given Sat

Danzig · #22 10-27-2007, 07:20 PM

i know they had said before that there was a chance any given would stay in training. so that's out now?

Cannon Shell · #23 10-27-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i know they had said before that there was a chance any given would stay in training. so that's out now?

He's done enough....

They said that about Bernardini too

Danzig · #24 10-27-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He's done enough....

They said that about Bernardini too

it's a dammed shame that winning the haskell means 'enough'.

hey, that's it. i'm going to open a track and name a race the 'he's done enough stakes'.

ALostTexan · #25 10-27-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i know they had said before that there was a chance any given would stay in training. so that's out now?

I would love to see it but I haven't seen anything that says that they will keep him in training. Away he goes, and the older division is robbed of a competitor.

I didn't say "great" horse, but a competitor in the years to come...

Danzig · #26 10-27-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan

I would love to see it but I haven't seen anything that says that they will keep him in training. Away he goes, and the older division is robbed of a competitor.

I didn't say "great" horse, but a competitor in the years to come...

they said he might stay, that if he won the classic he was thru. obviously that didn't happen. guess we'll see.

ALostTexan · #27 10-27-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

they said he might stay, that if he won the classic he was thru. obviously that didn't happen. guess we'll see.

I really hope so. Would love to see him around next year...

Danzig · #28 10-27-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan

I really hope so. Would love to see him around next year...

i guess.

i have a hard time feeling warm and fuzzy towards pletcher horses. probably because he doesn't feel warm and fuzzy about them--at least it seems that way.
but yeah, the more the merrier.

HaloWishingwell · #29 10-27-2007, 07:50 PM

Maybe LAWYER RON got finished by his last three races and HARD SPUN'S 45 and change.

Danzig · #30 10-27-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Maybe LAWYER RON got finished by his last three races and HARD SPUN'S 45 and change.

lawyer ron is a bit of a headcase. if he wants to settle, he does well. but no jock will win a battle of wills with a half ton of horse. plus, he didn't like that track one bit.

if anyone got done in by hard spuns 45, it was hard spun. they could have run 48, ron still wouldn't like the surface.

letswastemoney · #31 10-28-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

i now hope curlin becomes the tin man of the 2010's...i thought u worked at a wal-mart or something, what did curlin's connecs ever do to you?

Yes...geld him!!!

Danzig · #32 10-28-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

i now hope curlin becomes the tin man of the 2010's...i thought u worked at a wal-mart or something, what did curlin's connecs ever do to you?

no, again for the umpteenth time, i don't work at wal mart.

you still live in the parking lot of one?

Cajungator26 · #33 10-28-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

no, again for the umpteenth time, i don't work at wal mart.

you still live in the parking lot of one?

Oh wow... LOL

avance2000 · #34 10-28-2007, 11:09 AM

ags should be the one working in the parking lot at a wal-mart giving kids pony rides for a buck the way he ran yesterday.
he snapped my streak of picking 4 classic winners in a row in big way.
i still don't understand why he ran like that.

Danzig · #35 10-28-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by merasmag

lol, i deserved that but your curlin hatin bugs me and i should be in soldier field's parking lot right now but what with the busy week of cappin, tvg'in, betting and drinking followed by a time change i totally forgot about there was no time for that today....for the life of me i can't think of a single pro team of any kind in arkansas....is that why you're so bitter?

have a good day cause i'll just have to suffer and go work at the bars around here

for one, i don't hate curlin at all, and have always given HIM props for being good.

and no, no pro teams in arkansas. but i've always been a skins fan, so i don't feel the lack. certainly not bitter.

enjoy your day in the bars. hope i didn't sound too bitter or envious there...

ELA · #36 10-28-2007, 11:33 AM

I might consider AGS somewhat enigmatic for me. Not specifically yesterday. On one hand, I never, ever put him in the same class as Street Sense, Hard Spun or Curlin. On the other hand his Haskell had to make you either take notice or think twice (maybe three or more times). On what would perhaps be a third hand -- even after the Haskell, I never for a split second considered him a better horse than the big three so to speak. Even with that start over the track -- rain or not, I never once considered him my "I'm betting this horse in the BC Classic"

AGS just never looked like he was definitively getting better, moving forward, progressing. Sure, he was better (maybe much better) after the Derby than before, but, he was supposed to be. His Dwyer was a good performance, but he wasn't racing against the cream of the crop 3yo's (like this crop or not, he wasn't racing against the best in the crop). His Haskell was crucial -- that was his day to get a G1 and put that notch on his resume. That's your stallion statement. The Brooklyn was a race against sub-par older horses (don't get me wrong, I'd love to own a few of them).

I just didn't think there was that much more in the tank. He often looked like he was all out. That's often visual in nature and you really need to know what you are looking at in order to decipher what's going on. You need to what kind of horse he is, etc., and I spoke with Johnny V. about the horse and understand the kind of horse he is. I just didn't think he was in the first tier.

Anyway, great race and a great BC.

Eric

Rudeboyelvis · #37 10-28-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it's a dammed shame that winning the haskell means 'enough'.

I'll give him the Dwyer as well, but beating up on Tastyville and Helsinki in the Brooklyn, while technically, hardly constitues a "string" of "three great Graded stakes victories" as the connections will surely promote.

It's amazing that with the glut of realtively unproven stallions at stand currently, that AGS could possibly attract a quality mare. I predict he'll be standing in Florida for 5K in three years. What a waste