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[Cannon Shell]

I trained NW hill for a short time. Claimed him from Pete Vestal or Reinstedler at Saratoga, lost him in a claimer at CD that fall. He did win the day I lost him. Sad to hear about his fate.

[Echo Farm]

And someone yanked the information from Pedigree Query. It was up there, including his race record. I'm trying to rebuild it now. Anyone have a pps on him?

Maybe I can email Maggi

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I trained NW hill for a short time. Claimed him from Pete Vestal or Reinstedler at Saratoga, lost him in a claimer at CD that fall. He did win the day I lost him. Sad to hear about his fate.

There was more to the story but like Echo Farm said, a lot of posts were deleted elsewhere and even the second thread asking what happened to the original.....

Well, it was a sad story and I'm sorry I can't remember the details.

One of those things where many were questioning why he was entered because of some recent history.

Poor thing.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

I believe Scav's is up next

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Scav

I was on hold but I was freezing my ass off and I am not going to go off after a conversation like he has now.

SHE IS OUT OF HER MIND. She essentially said that the public thinks that ALL TRAINERS CHEAT now when this couldn't be FARTHER from the truth.

I WAS PRAYING he was going to let me on with her. I wanted ONE question answered?

How would she explain the CONSTANT movement of claimed horses, from a guy that has had suspension after suspension?

And, she is NUTS for sayin

**** it, I am calling again.

Thou shall not be silenced...go Scav's go

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Scav

I was on hold but I was freezing my ass off and I am not going to go off after a conversation like he has now.

SHE IS OUT OF HER MIND. She essentially said that the public thinks that ALL TRAINERS CHEAT now when this couldn't be FARTHER from the truth.

I WAS PRAYING he was going to let me on with her. I wanted ONE question answered?

How would she explain the CONSTANT movement of claimed horses, from a guy that has had suspension after suspension?

And, she is NUTS for sayin

**** it, I am calling again.

good job scavs !!

[brianwspencer]

I missed the first part of Scav's call -- but I hope he smoked her.

I guess you don't become the nation's leading owner without doing any and everything you can to win, even if it's unsavory, and then using crappy lawyer doubletalk to try to justify it.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Thank for calling in Scav's and expressing our frustrations....she was so "over the top" with the defending of him....the proof is in the pudding!

[Riot]

Well done, Scavs!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I missed the first part of Scav's call -- but I hope he smoked her.

I guess you don't become the nation's leading owner without doing any and everything you can to win, even if it's unsavory, and then using crappy lawyer doubletalk to try to justify it.

What was that famous line about lawyers????

[golfer]

Maggi Moss contradicted herself on almost every point she attempted to make. She never claimed that anything Dr Allday said last Friday wasn't true, only that he should not have aired "dirty laundry", as this is bad for the sports "public image"??? Are you freakin kidding me!!!

[SentToStud]

Scav, I will rep you for half my usual rate. Let's get the demo tape going.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

Maggi Moss contradicted herself on almost every point she attempted to make. She never claimed that anything Dr Allday said last Friday wasn't true, only that he should not have aired "dirty laundry", as this is bad for the sports "public image"??? Are you freakin kidding me!!!

I agree, but I didn't want to start throwing accusations out there for fear of getting chased or getting Steve in trouble

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Scav, I will rep you for half my usual rate. Let's get the demo tape going.

I'll give you 50% of my salary if you get me a horse racing talk person job

[ArlJim78]

wow, scav is really on a roll taking on TVG and bigtime owners. whats next? anyone have Stronachs number?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Scav

I agree, but I didn't want to start throwing accusations out there for fear of getting chased or getting Steve in trouble

She sounded like a trial lawyer, which she is. Just stop picking on Rick or we'll sue you.

[Scav]

Someone tell Casey in the booth to make sure he does the archive right tonight

And if possible, fix the Mandella interview

[Riot]

Originally Posted by golfer

Maggi Moss contradicted herself on almost every point she attempted to make. She never claimed that anything Dr Allday said last Friday wasn't true, only that he should not have aired "dirty laundry", as this is bad for the sports "public image"??? Are you freakin kidding me!!!

I'm going to listen to it again when the archives are up, but basically that is the message I got from that part of the conversation.

I'm getting the impression that some owners know very little about horses or the sport, other than writing checks, and showing up at the Turf Club on race day.

[golfer]

All I can say is, she unintentionally used GASOLINE in an attempt to put out the "Dutrow Fire". I'm far more annoyed now than I was before. Her big thing is that Rick doesn't hurt her horses. That's all well and good, but doesn't speak to the issue of cheating. It's obvious that she enjoys her success, whatever the means (Dutrow and Assmussen as her main trainers).

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

All I can say is, she unintentionally used GASOLINE in an attempt to put out the "Dutrow Fire". I'm far more annoyed now than I was before. Her big thing is that Rick doesn't hurt her horses. That's all well and good, but doesn't speak to the issue of cheating. It's obvious that she enjoys her success, whatever the means (Dutrow and Assmussen as her main trainers).

I don't think she uses Dutrow as a trainer. She uses Amoss and Assmussen, among others.

" I learned so much about Rick Dutrow" is what she said