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11-27-2007, 02:15 AM
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Won the 1974 NL MVP… Also finished in top 10 in NL MVP voting
in 1976 (T6th), `77 (6th), `78 (2nd) and `80 (6th)…Ranks second all-time in fielding among first basemen (.9959)… Ten All-Star teams, including eight consecutively (1974-'81, '84-'85); batted .393 with seven RBI and two HR in 28 ASG at-bats… Holds ASG record for most games played at 1B (10)…Named ASG MVP in 1974 and `78… Won four NL Gold Gloves, consecutively (1974-`77)… Eight seasons with .300-plus batting average and six seasons with 200-plus hits… 100-plus RBI five times, 20-plus HR six times, and 30-plus doubles seven times… Led NL in hits twice (1978, '80)… Holds ML records among 1B for most consecutive errorless games, season (159), in 1984 (entire season); most consecutive errorless chances, season (1,319), 1984; and most consecutive errorless games, career (193), 1983-`85… Holds NL record for most consecutive errorless chances accepted, 1B, (1,633), 1983-85… Led NL 1B in games nine times (1975-'81, '84-'85), putouts six times (1974-'78, '85), fielding average five times (1975-'77, '81, '84), total chances five times (1974,'75, '77, '78, '85), and DPs once (1985)… One NL Division Series (1981); batted .368 with four RBI and two HR in 19 NLDS at-bats… Five NL Championship Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); hit .356 in 90 NLCS at-bats… Holds career NLCS record for HR (8) and RBI (21)…Named MVP of NLCS (1978, '84)… Five World Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); batted .319 with six RBI and five doubles in 113 WS at-bats… Two errors in 55 post-season games… Member of 1981 WS championship team. 
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11-27-2007, 11:37 AM
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And what 'others' besides you are carrying the cross for the Garvey for Hall of Fame drive?
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11-27-2007, 11:41 AM
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11-27-2007, 02:14 PM
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HE BEAT THESE HALL OF FAMERS IN '74....I PUT A VALUE OF WINNING THINGS.YOU PUT MORE VALUE ON COLLECTING OVER A LOT OF YEARS.In other words you like a weed,and I prefer flowers.One looks beautiful,and makes people feel good,and the other is just there for a while(hanging out.)You say he isn't good enough,buy he routinely led his team to kick Schmidt's butt in the post.So,he beat Schmidt again.This is my point..Garvey (accused of being so self-centered) shows signs of being the offensive glue for the teams he played for.He wasn't just a part of the puzzle.He usually was playing 162 games,and not slumping.A very consistent offensive weapon when the team needed to win.When they wanted to get to the World Series,he showed up(unlike these future hof members like AROD.)
1 Steve Garvey | 2 Lou Brock | 3 Mike Marshall 4 Johnny Bench | 5 Jimmy Wynn 6 Mike Schmidt| 7 Al Oliver | B8 Joe Morgan Richie Zisk | 10 Willie Stargell Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 11-27-2007 at 02:29 PM.
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11-27-2007, 02:37 PM
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1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" 1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award 1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award 1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most" The above accomplishments should of got him in.He should of taken Tony Perez' spot.Garvey liked to hump too much(that's why he isn't in...it's not because of what he didn't do on the field.)Before he got caught humping,people voted him to start allstar games 9 times.....Best 1st baseman 9 times in his league,but his accomplishments aren't enough?
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11-27-2007, 04:51 PM
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He had a great Cartoon written about him. "..., and Garvey hits another Home Run to win the game. His family is at home plate waiting for him to score." His 500+ children yell, "Hooray Daddy!"
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11-27-2007, 10:31 PM
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Do you know how many times this team needed a pinch hit down the right field line from Mota?(in order to win tie games.) Those were mainly pitching teams. Without Garvey...nah...no way.There is no way they win all those division titles.
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11-28-2007, 09:24 AM
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"I don't feel like that I am any better than anybody else" - Paul Newman Last edited by Crown@club : 11-28-2007 at 11:31 AM.
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11-28-2007, 04:51 PM
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People in New York (I'M SURE) didn't help him in his HOF bid.As you said,people didn't like his personality.Those are 2 of the reasons that a guy with a 130.5 HOF reference ranking(130 is almost a sure HOF inductee) didn't get in.
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11-28-2007, 04:56 PM
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All-Time and Active Leaders This is another Jamesian creation. It attempts to assess how likely (not how deserving) an active player is to make the Hall of Fame Of course this little tidbit escaped you when you used the 130 number
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11-28-2007, 05:04 PM
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Black-Ink Test
All-Time and Active Leaders Named so because league leading numbers are traditionally represented with Boldface type. The definition for the test that I'm using here was written up in Bill James's The Politics of Glory, p. 65-67. The essential point is to measure how often a player led the league in a variety of "important" stats. This method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must lead the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts Note that Hall of Famers have a wide variety of values for the Black Ink Test, and the method is unforgiving of positional differences, but it is a neat little metric. Gray-Ink Test All-Time and Active Leaders Essentially the same as the Black-Ink above, but it counts appearances in the top ten of the league. For each appearance the values are below. As with the Black Ink, this method penalizes more recent players as they have 14-16 teams per league, while the older players had just 8. To get a point you must be in the top 10 in the league in that category. Batting Statistics Four Points for home runs, runs batted in or batting average Three Points for runs scored, hits or slugging percentage Two Points for doubles, walks or stolen bases One Point for games, at bats or triples Pitching Statistics Four Points for wins, earned run average or strikeouts Three Points for innings pitched, win-loss percentage or saves Two Points for complete games, lowest walks per 9 innings or lowest hits per 9 innings One Point for appearances, starts or shutouts Since you wanted to use this group of stats I figured I would show the WHOLE story. Steve Garvey's Hall Of Fame standards rating is 31, far below the average hall of famers score of 50 Steve Garvey's Grey Ink rating of 142 is slightly less than the average hall of famer's 144 Steve Garveys' Black Ink rating of 12 is far, far below the average hall of famers score of 27 He does not rate out on any of these scales as a Hall of Famer. What other ratings or stats do you want to use?
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11-28-2007, 05:08 PM
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The only catagories that Steve Garvey ever led the NL in were hits 2 times, games played 6 times, sac flies 1 time and Grounded into Double Plays 2 times. Sound like a Hall of Famer to you?
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11-28-2007, 09:15 PM
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Categories? He was the most valuable player(lets be clear....he led all other players in the league in '74.)Evidently it isn't very important to you to be the best player in the league for that year.That is leading.I think it is bogus to accuse him of not leading.He has trophies for leading all other players in the league in '74,in 2 league championship series,and 2 Allstar games.It's easy to say he didn't lead offensive categories.He sprayed line drives everywhere.That would result in a lot of different kinds of hits.That's why he kept getting around 200 or more hits a year.You wanna be picky about the type? He was a consistent line drive hitter that came to play every possible game he could.Had a lot more impact on game outcomes than f'n Carew n' Boggs.Carew did what to lead his team? What ? Bat .220 in 4 league championship series? F that.Damn useless punchin' judy.Garvey had more impact than that moody bitch ever had.Garvey has a league MVP.Does Boggs? No,he was never as valuable as Garvey was to his team.That's another punchin' judy.Non-Pitchers should be the most valuable player in the league atleast once.Pitchers should win a CY YOUNG or atleast have a 20 win season.Beckett,Peavy=in.After that(after the true competitors are rewarded) you can start rewarding your f'n on base %....most doubles by a 2nd baseman from a Texas town..or whatever long -term stat you seem to love.Carew is testament that you don't have to be a winner to get in the Hall.
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