How do you.....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'd put Silver Charm in the 'great' category as well.

You need to read up on racing history.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You need to read up on racing history.

Opinions are like a$$holes. He impressed me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Opinions are like a$$holes. He impressed me.

He impressed you therefore he's great?

I was wrong, it's not history you need to study, it's the dictionary.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Obviously Damascus was great no matter what - but like I said, he was invincible with the rabbit to set him up. Does that statement make him less of a horse?

I will only become a politcal analyst if I can bring Cannon along as my expert on Pakistan.

Only if my funds are paid in a foreign currency directly into an offshore account. I had a good 7/11 joke but I dont want to be considered racially insensitive if I'm going to work for Drugs

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Obviously Damascus was great no matter what - but like I said, he was invincible with the rabbit to set him up. Does that statement make him less of a horse?

I will only become a politcal analyst if I can bring Cannon along as my expert on Pakistan.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's a good idea. Especially if he wears that pork pie hat and adds a monacle. Sh*t would get straightened out right quick.

We would shake things up

[PSH]

Three horses who never got a chance to show how great they might have been: Danzig, Hoist the Flag, and Roberto. All were pretty good in the breeding shed though....

Great horses that i remember from my early days in racing

Forego - carried the weight. Loved to go to Belmont and see him give 10-15 lbs to Quiet Little Table and others...
Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew come to mind right away of course....

Pearl Necklace would not be a great horse but the Roger Laurin trained filly was my first real love in horse racing in New York.... Always competed against Greentree, Darby Dan and Rokeby horses. The good old days...

Loved when Pebbles came to Aqueduct to win the Breeders Cup race from overseas....

Curlin might become great if he is allowed to race. We shall see....

Ghostzapper was fast real fast, have to call him great....

PSH

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by PSH

Pearl Necklace would not be a great horse but the Roger Laurin trained filly was my first real love in horse racing in New York....

That's funny you brought her up. I was a big fan of her's as well and I was recently telling someone about what a wonderful horse Waya was and how she dusted Pearl Necklace in that record setting Diana......which was quite an accomplishment.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Just because Damascus raced before I was born doesn't mean I'm making judgements (him looking invincible with the aid of a rabbit to setup his run) on shaky grounds.

Simply watching the races - it would be impossible to not make that kind of judgement.

His '67 Travers win looking like Whirlaway in the '41 Preakness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGOz...eature=related

All of his meetings with Dr. fager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8frxLao1bM


And as for Erie - it has produced one of the greatest sports heros going for undersized men like yourself.



Too bad he's one week away from he, and the Indy secondary, getting owned by Moss.

We'll just see about that!

[PSH]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's funny you brought her up. I was a big fan of her's as well and I was recently telling someone about what a wonderful horse Waya was and how she dusted Pearl Necklace in that record setting Diana......which was quite an accomplishment.

Believe she was by Ambernash (spelling) - Another Jane and Jeffrey Fell use to ride her? Whatever happened to Jeff Fell???? Maryland bred.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

The last "great" horse.....how about the "Bid" , I recall he was in the last "walk over" in a major race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by PSH

Believe she was by Ambernash (spelling) - Another Jane and Jeffrey Fell use to ride her? Whatever happened to Jeff Fell???? Maryland bred.

Wow! That's impressive. Exactly right.....even the spelling.

She ran 48 times with 21 wins, 11 seconds, 6 thirds and won $737K in the 70s which is quite an accomplishment. She won 9 graded stakes races.

What a horse.

She was certainly a better horse than Jeffrey Fell was a rider. I have absolutely no idea what happened to him.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Easy Goer was great. :p

Easy Goer would be in my top 3 from 1987- present.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He impressed you therefore he's great?

I was wrong, it's not history you need to study, it's the dictionary.

Okay, Andy. My OPINION is that he was a great horse. The last time I checked there wasn't a definition in the dictionary categorizing what a 'great' horse is. Perhaps I need to get the edition that you have?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

The last "great" horse.....how about the "Bid" , I recall he was in the last "walk over" in a major race.

I agree. I still question in my mind if he was the best I saw. the 70s were ridiculous with Secretariat, Forego, Ruffian, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Alydar then the Bid to close out the decade although his otherworldy year was in 1980. I grew up thinking all time greats were produced one or two a year!! I'm quite positive I'll never, ever see anything like the Bid in 1980 again. Because reality is if we ever do get anything like him, they won't run as much as he did.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Okay, Andy. My OPINION is that he was a great horse. The last time I checked there wasn't a definition in the dictionary categorizing what a 'great' horse is. Perhaps I need to get the edition that you have?

In my personal opinion I'm a better basketball player than Michael Jordan, a better baseball player than Alex Rodriguez and a better hockey player than Wayne Gretzky.

Hard to believe? Maybe.....but it's my OPINION.













I just bought your dictionary. It was very enlightening.

[Danzig]

john henry ran past when the bid retired, and was a great horse. i also would include personal ensign as a great one, as not only did she retire undefeated, she defeated males(one who received year end honors at that) and did much of her racing after breaking a leg.

but when people start talkiing great, i automatically think of those who transcend time.

is skip away dr fager/damascus/citation great? does he match up with kelso, forego, native dancer?

or does he compare more favorably to sunday silence and cigar?

to me there's great-man o war, war admiral, secretariat, ruffian.

then there's cigar, tiznow. no way i'd try to compare them to affirmed, slew, the bid. i just think there's a definite gap there.

[santana]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wow! That's impressive. Exactly right.....even the spelling.

She ran 48 times with 21 wins, 11 seconds, 6 thirds and won $737K in the 70s which is quite an accomplishment. She won 9 graded stakes races.

What a horse.

She was certainly a better horse than Jeffrey Fell was a rider. I have absolutely no idea what happened to him.

Way back when, Jeffrey Fell won an Arkansas Derby, defeating a colt called linkage.,who was like 2/5, With a horse i cant remember his name.He got me out for the weekend with that horse. He paid about 30.00. I remember that because i was dead broke ! I am pretty sure Jeff is in the Canadian Hall of Fame.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by santana

Way back when, Jeffrey Fell won an Arkansas Derby, defeating a colt called linkage.,who was like 2/5, With a horse i cant remember his name.He got me out for the weekend with that horse. He paid about 30.00. I remember that because i was dead broke ! I am pretty sure Jeff is in the Canadian Hall of Fame.

Hostage.

[santana]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hostage.

Talk about instant answers...lol
faster than google.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by santana

Talk about instant answers...lol
faster than google.

I recently took a course at NYU on the history of the Arkansas Derby.

I signed up to meet girls.....and tell the truth about Smarty Jones.