OFFICIAL: '09 Cup Back to Santa Anita

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That surprised me given the value that is often present on horses with a shot at double digit odds.

Am I mistaken? I thought BC was generally a good betting day

One man's good betting day is not necessarily another's. However, I would never argue with someone that says it's a great betting card. I'm just not usually someone who bets a lot of stakes races. My opinions are usually more esoteric maidens or turf horses.

I bet plenty on the BC, and enjoy the action, but my biggest bets are pretty much never on those races. But, with many races to at least dabble in, I am going to bet enough.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Hopefully there isn't a debate between my incumbent congressman and his challenger on public access TV scheduled at the same time the synthetic Breeders Cup card goes.

I think I'd have to TIVO the BC.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Steve Crist lambastes them in his Sunday column.

It's a subscription article but I'll see if it's OK to reprint it here.

It's already up on DRF.com as a free article. As per Crist's norm, a succinct and factually correct argument as to why this was an extremely disappointing decision.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...9&subs=0&arc=0

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by philcski

It's already up on DRF.com as a free article. As per Crist's norm, a succinct and factually correct argument as to why this was an extremely disappointing decision.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...9&subs=0&arc=0

People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.

Prior to Synthetic tracks in both NoCal and SoCal we couldn't get barns in the rest of the country to even consider shipping to take the money offered because of the dirt tracks. Look at Bay Meadow on dirt has reduced the field size back to 5 and 6 horse where Golden Gate had 7 to 10 in most races on Tapita. Synthetic race tracks are moving forward and are in everyones future.
How many horses that are training on dirt never make it to the track? I dont think the number would be the same for synthetic surfaces.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.

Well then, problem solved...

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Well then, problem solved...

Horses are working on Santa Anita's new synthetic surface this morning. Life is good again, till it rains?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Well then, problem solved...

Problem solved for a lot of us that had to put up with short fields.I just think anybody that says Cali rushed into this are ignorant.We had to try it.The option was to keep bleeding,or to try something new.Would have taken a 3 day week to get decent-sized fields.Even when HWD had the synthetic,and Anita didn't.Go back and look at the field sizes during the week in APRIL last year at Anita.Of course,I stopped playing.You must have competitive fields or the racing is not going to remain popular.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Problem solved for a lot of us that had to put up with short fields.I just think anybody that says Cali rushed into this are ignorant.We had to try it.The option was to keep bleeding,or to try something new.Would have taken a 3 day week to get decent-sized fields.Even when HWD had the synthetic,and Anita didn't.Go back and look at the field sizes during the week in APRIL last year at Anita.Of course,I stopped playing.You must have competitive fields or the racing is not going to remain popular.

Brotha Scuds PREACH TO ME!!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

Brotha Scuds PREACH TO ME!!!

New York Dog Show this Monday-Tuesday.They best not give the toy group to one of them g damn Pomeranians.The Min Pins and Chihuahas need representation,man.They are unfairly being judged because it doesn't take forever to make them look good.You watch the Min Pin.He is gunna have the best movement of any of the toys.They have a co cky (hackney) gait.They look best each year,but these judges vote for toys that act like f'n cats.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

New York Dog Show this Monday-Tuesday.They best not give the toy group to one of them g damn Pomeranians.The Min Pins and Chihuahas need representation,man.They are unfairly being judged because it doesn't take forever to make them look good.You watch the Min Pin.He is gunna have the best movement of any of the toys.They have a co cky (hackney) gait.They look best each year,but these judges vote for toys that act like f'n cats.

I was talking about horses

You're so comedy

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

I was talking about horses

You're so comedy

I'm done.I think it's fair to be against running the cup out here,but I just think we had to try the synthetics.You remember when that Mike character was around here? Well,that's when I was playing New York and Florida.That's when are SOCAL cards sucked the most.Now,I play SOCAL ( if they ever fkn run again.)If you don't have field size,then you don't have a product people are going to care about.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm done.I think it's fair to be against running the cup out here,but I just think we had to try the synthetics.You remember when that Mike character was around here? Well,that's when I was playing New York and Florida.That's when are SOCAL cards sucked the most.Now,I play SOCAL ( if they ever fkn run again.)If you don't have field size,then you don't have a product people are going to care about.

Are you playing the P6 today or what? Go to selections thread and yap it out

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

Are you playing the P6 today or what? Go to selections thread and yap it out

Can't you tell how excited I am? I guess I'll post one.Kinda think it's more interesting to see how the Chinese can somehow name a year after a damn RAT.Isn't that like naming a year after a bowel movement?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you knocking my boy? Because Singletary was a fighter who finally got his just reward in the Lone Star BC. Just because he didn't come with a fancy pedigree, some East Coasters had to knock him but he was a heck of a better horse than some of the Storm Cat flashes-in-the-pan out there.

I hit that exacta. Singletary with some crazy euro horse. nice pay day.

[AeWingnut]

I think the same people that decided to squeeze the lemon into two days - came up with the back to back Santa Anita scenerio... aided by the fact that Churchill wanted a bigger cut.

I don't need to go to the actual races and deal with the crowds to enjoy the races.

People that only like to go to events are not going to be there for you every weekend. So why pis soff the ones that are? Don't think I won't stop.
I have before and I will again.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

Are you playing the P6 today or what? Go to selections thread and yap it out

F'N little Grey rat in the 9th cost me the p6 contest.Little teaser on the outside with Mig.They were all 3 running about the same,and he was the smallest.That never works.Scav,thank you so much for reminding me to play.WTF I do without you?

[King Glorious]

I don't understand why it can't be awarded to Belmont. The racing situation seems very stable there. Or why not Churchill or Arlington? They are begging for it. With so many options out there right now, why SA again?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

People from the east coast are just too f'n ignorant to realize we had to put synthetic in because we couldn't fill cards out here.We had 4-7 horses in almost every race except cal bred m32cl....O.K.? We had to get the horses we had to the track more...Had to. Dirt was making it impossible to have good cards.I don't think just making the dirt more "eastern" (slower times etc. )would have been enough.We don't have as many horses here.You must not remember how horrible the cards were getting out here.So bad I was playing New York.I haven't played New York now for quite a while.

I don't disagree with your opinion that something had to be done to improve field size. It was unplayable when there was 4-5 horses in each race. I LOVE playing Hollywood with the new surface and I don't think I bet Hwd more than 3-4 times a year before that. My problem is with awarding the BC, the sport's 2nd most prestigious event, to the same facility two years in a row- denying fans in other parts of the country the opportunity to attend. I'll likely be there for both, but most people aren't as fortunate (or passionate) as me to be able to spend probably $1500 to fly to LA, buy tickets and a hotel. Seems like a twofold knee jerk reaction to the poor weather at Monmouth ( which truly was just bad luck- it hadn't rained much for months before that weekend, which was a deluge) and a moneygrab with CDSN's deserved higher demands.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't understand why it can't be awarded to Belmont. The racing situation seems very stable there. Or why not Churchill or Arlington? They are begging for it. With so many options out there right now, why SA again?

If Magna was truly the only viable bidder then they could have put it at another one of their facilities. Gulfstream and Lone Star have been successful hosts in the past and I don't think anyone would complain if they went there again.

[outofthebox]

Since Magna oswns both SA and GP i dont think we will ever see the BC run at GP ever again. Stronach i think took GP out of the running when he rebuilt his grandstand to a non racing friendly facility.