Majestic Warrior

Sniper is right.

David Carroll is a trainer known for gradually improving horses going into the big races.


Give me a bleeping break. Carroll has had lots of high dollar horse flesh and done jack and bleep with them.

We'll see where this Denis of Cork is when it matters.


Oh and I never said anything about Majestic Warrior and the derby.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How much will you take Phil and what are the odds?

He's 30-1 in Vegas, I'd offer that on $500. But this bet was only available to BBB. I don't need the money.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh my god.

Yes?

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

His second dam was a fairly acomplished router

Spinning Round was A LOT like her daughter Dream Supreme.. both had their finest moments going 7F...

[freddymo]

what about Ashland?

With the many misgivings, this thread, regarding MAJESTIC WARRIOR and his preferred distance, (more than a few suggested, foolishly, that he is a sprinter because his dam was ?). The AP Indy colt handled six furlongs this morning.

As we posted, this would be a very important work and we cannot recall a faster Payson move. By any measure, six panels at this deep training center is not a frequent occurence. Nomatter Pillow Pants passes a big hurdle and is very live having one of a half dozen or so.

BBB

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

With the many misgivings, this thread, regarding MAJESTIC WARRIOR and his preferred distance, (more than a few suggested, foolishly, that he is a sprinter because his dam was ?). The AP Indy colt handled six furlongs this morning.

As we posted, this would be a very important work and we cannot recall a faster Payson move. By any measure, six panels at this deep training center is not a frequent occurence. Nomatter Pillow Pants passes a big hurdle and is very live having one of a half dozen or so.

BBB

I love the " we " sh it. I mean, honestly, you really have to respect the pretentiousness.

I realize you are just taking the opposite opinion of the smart posters on this site in hopes that one day you, too, can post something smart, but why exactly, and I know you won't answer because you only take cheap shots and never engage in actual dialogue, is it foolish to suggest that he is a sprinter because his dam was....especially in light of the fact that he emulates her running style on the racetrack?

[blackthroatedwind]

Thanks for answering BBB. Appreciate your time.

BTW

Majestic Warrior is by A P Indy and inbred to both Secretariat and Buckpasser three of the preemininent stamina influences in the stud book. Horses get their class from their dams and generally emulate their sire with regards to surface, style and distance and precocity.

Predicting that MW is a sprinter is an opinion based on flawed logic.

The third dam was a router, the second dam won the Alciabades. Dream Supreme won three graded stakes at seven furlongs.

You should get a book or two on pedigree, it is an egregious hole in your game. BBB

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Majestic Warrior is by A P Indy and inbred to both Secretariat and Buckpasser three of the preemininent stamina influences in the stud book. Horses get their class from their dams and generally emulate their sire with regards to surface, style and distance and precocity.Predicting that MW is a sprinter is an opinion based on flawed logic.

The third dam was a router, the second dam won the Alciabades. Dream Supreme won three graded stakes at seven furlongs.

You should get a book or two on pedigree, it is an egregious hole in your game. BBB

so majestic warrior has already shown he isn't a typical ap indy--having won the hopeful. for the most part, ap indys are expected to blossom later in their careers, with patience being a key ingredient in their development.

also, if you're trying to suggest that dream supreme would provide a stamina influence, how does the statement that she won three times at 7f bolster that argument?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Majestic Warrior is by A P Indy and inbred to both Secretariat and Buckpasser three of the preemininent stamina influences in the stud book. Horses get their class from their dams and generally emulate their sire with regards to surface, style and distance and precocity.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I had always heard that the opposite was true, and that the dam is typically more important in determining stamina.
Either way, I don't think we have seen enough from this horse to determine what his ideal distance might be.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Majestic Warrior is by A P Indy and inbred to both Secretariat and Buckpasser three of the preemininent stamina influences in the stud book. Horses get their class from their dams and generally emulate their sire with regards to surface, style and distance and precocity.

Predicting that MW is a sprinter is an opinion based on flawed logic.

The third dam was a router, the second dam won the Alciabades. Dream Supreme won three graded stakes at seven furlongs.

You should get a book or two on pedigree, it is an egregious hole in your game. BBB

I don't know that I would describe it as an " egregious " hole in my game, as unlike you I actually win despite my mediocre understanding of pedigree, but I certainly don't pretend to be an expert, also unlike you.

However, my good friend Tony Cobitz is an expert, and so I have turned to him on this important issue. In a nutshell.....he agrees with you from a pedigree standpoint and says that physically Majestic Warrior does not look like a sprinter. While his running style may prove a problem, as well as ten furlongs, he certainly feels this horse should get 9 furlongs.

Pardon me for going above you, but Tony has proven his worth at the racetrack for many years, to both myself and others, while I am still waiting, and hoping, for you to do that here. I haven't given up hope.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Perhaps I am wrong, but I had always heard that the opposite was true, and that the dam is typically more important in determining stamina.
Either way, I don't think we have seen enough from this horse to determine what his ideal distance might be.

that's what i have always seen as well-speed from the sire, stamina from the dam.

i agree with your last sentence.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't know that I would describe it as an " egregious " hole in my game, as unlike you I actually win despite my mediocre understanding of pedigree, but I certainly don't pretend to be an expert, also unlike you.

However, my good friend Tony Cobitz is an expert, and so I have turned to him on this important issue. In a nutshell.....he agrees with you from a pedigree standpoint and says that physically Majestic Warrior does not look like a sprinter. While his running style may prove a problem, as well as ten furlongs, he certainly feels this horse should get 9 furlongs.

Pardon me for going above you, but Tony has proven his worth at the racetrack for many years, to both myself and others, while I am still waiting, and hoping, for you to do that here. I haven't given up hope.

I remember playing cards in Ann Arbor many years ago with Tony Cobitz. I think we shared a ride or two to DRC or Hazel too. Nice guy. LAst I remembered of him was seeing him on the Arlington in-house show about 20 years ago. Glad he did well.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember playing cards in Ann Arbor many years ago with Tony Cobitz. I think we shared a ride or two to DRC or Hazel too. Nice guy. LAst I remembered of him was seeing him on the Arlington in-house show about 20 years ago. Glad he did well.

He also did the Gulfstream in-house and evening replays back in the early 90's.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember playing cards in Ann Arbor many years ago with Tony Cobitz. I think we shared a ride or two to DRC or Hazel too. Nice guy. LAst I remembered of him was seeing him on the Arlington in-house show about 20 years ago. Glad he did well.

Tony's great. He did the BC " Playing to Win " show with me.

I'm pretty harsh on people's opinions at the racetrack but I can honestly say that there are very few who's opinions I respect as much as Tony. Not only has he given me a boatload of winners over the years but he doesn't approach things from the normal perspectives and he constantly teaches me things I may well not have understood in the past. He's a good friend and a brilliant student of the game. He has my highest respect.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

He also did the Gulfstream in-house and evening replays back in the early 90's.

Calder, too, and maybe Arlington.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by philcski

He's 30-1 in Vegas, I'd offer that on $500. But this bet was only available to BBB. I don't need the money.

I will take the 500.00 wager at 30-1 and will forward the money in advance to whomever you deem appropiate on this board other then You lol

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Majestic Warrior is by A P Indy and inbred to both Secretariat and Buckpasser three of the preemininent stamina influences in the stud book. Horses get their class from their dams and generally emulate their sire with regards to surface, style and distance and precocity.

Predicting that MW is a sprinter is an opinion based on flawed logic.

The third dam was a router, the second dam won the Alciabades. Dream Supreme won three graded stakes at seven furlongs.

You should get a book or two on pedigree, it is an egregious hole in your game. BBB

MW may win the Derby and I like the colts chances. But your logic is pretty weak and you are tangling with folks who make a living knowing about horses.

I question theorically speaking, If we breed Personal Ensign to The Green Monkey you think TGM will have more influence on her offspring then she would have?

IMO you could bred Hasili to a frog and get a grade 3 winner!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't know that I would describe it as an " egregious " hole in my game, as unlike you I actually win despite my mediocre understanding of pedigree, but I certainly don't pretend to be an expert, also unlike you.

However, my good friend Tony Cobitz is an expert, and so I have turned to him on this important issue. In a nutshell.....he agrees with you from a pedigree standpoint and says that physically Majestic Warrior does not look like a sprinter. While his running style may prove a problem, as well as ten furlongs, he certainly feels this horse should get 9 furlongs.

Pardon me for going above you, but Tony has proven his worth at the racetrack for many years, to both myself and others, while I am still waiting, and hoping, for you to do that here. I haven't given up hope.

You know a lot more about pedigree's them BBB....I think it's always encouraging when a colt outruns his pedigree. An Indy winning early and short is encouraging no matter who the dam is..But that isn't to say he won't turn out actually what you guys think he will be.