LOL-ain't over

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 03-05-2008, 01:18 AM

Clintons can play this game pretty well.She says it ain't a game,but she has a lot of clutch moves to make when she has to win.She needs to keep pounding away at his inexperience.This mistake his people made over the NAFTA/Canada issue is her in.This is really his only Achilles.To win,she has to make him look like he isn't ready for the job(he very well may not be-I don't think he is.)By the end of this,she will look way too partisan to get elected president.Obama is gunna look like he is too inexperienced for the job(too amateurish.)If McCain gets to the center now he will take this.He needs to ignore the Conservatives totally.These assholes are gunna vote for him no matter what.If he gets to the center more,then he is in.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 03-05-2008, 05:45 AM

if ol beer keg legs wins the nom .. that makes it easy for mccain.....

Cannon Shell · #3 03-05-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Clintons can play this game pretty well.She says it ain't a game,but she has a lot of clutch moves to make when she has to win.She needs to keep pounding away at his inexperience.This mistake his people made over the NAFTA/Canada issue is her in.This is really his only Achilles.To win,she has to make him look like he isn't ready for the job(he very well may not be-I don't think he is.)By the end of this,she will look way too partisan to get elected president.Obama is gunna look like he is too inexperienced for the job(too amateurish.)If McCain gets to the center now he will take this.He needs to ignore the Conservatives totally.These assholes are gunna vote for him no matter what.If he gets to the center more,then he is in.

Thank You Wolf Blitzer

whodey17 · #4 03-05-2008, 08:46 AM

It is amazing that year after year the Democrats seem to blow their chance at the white house. People will say, well Bill Clinton didn't win the nomination until June 2nd and won the presidency. Well he was going up against Bush Sr who raised taxes after he said he wouldn't. So that was a pretty easy contest for him to win.

Even though Clinton won 3 of the 4 states, Obama still has a nice lead in the delegate count. I believe it is going to be a brokered convention and this is not good for the Dems. Three times in history the Dems went to their convention being brokered and they lost the presidency all three times.

For Obama and NAFTA (which is the worse piece of legislation ever) all he has to do is find a link between the Clinton's pasing NAFTA and the fact that Hillary was named to the board of Wal-Mart shortly after they left the White House.

Obama or Clinton have some good ideas but neither one of them will be a good President in the long run. Both health care policies are a joke, their economic plan is a joke, raising taxes on the rich doesn't do anything, getting out of Iraq is not the correct thing to do (now getting involved in the 1st place wasnt a great idea either), immigration issue is a farce. Now McCain's ideas aren't any better....I guess he is the lesser of 3 evils.

GBBob · #5 03-05-2008, 09:32 AM

I'll be announcing my candidacy to run against Cannon shortly as the Dem representative for DT president

Cannon Shell · #6 03-05-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I'll be announcing my candidacy to run against Cannon shortly as the Dem representative for DT president

Mesramag as your running mate?

GBBob · #7 03-05-2008, 09:58 AM

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Mesramag as your running mate?

It is too early in the process to discuss running mates, but I can share with you that she probably won't pass our initial back ground checks. I eagerly await your list of potentials from the deep talent pool that you have to choose from.

SCUDSBROTHER · #8 03-05-2008, 02:21 PM

If Hillary can't get the nomination,then she is gunna leave this guy all tore up.Last night,OBAMA pissed her off when he started talking about McCain(acting as if Hillary wasn't a threat.) 1st thing this morning,she says that she and McCain have a lifetime of experience,and OBAMA'S whole campaign is based pretty much on 1 speech he made in 2002.His campaign has made amateurish mistakes the last week.The kind of mistakes that point to somebody being inexperienced and unseasoned. She and Bill Know exactly what this guy may be weak on.They've been here before.Remember the 1st year mistakes BILL made? They know what he is probably weak on(they were weak on the same stuff.)You can't ignore experience.She may not have direct experience at being President,but these 2 (Bill n' Hillary) are just too good at this game to go down without this guy have chunks of flesh missing.It's gunna come down to a brokered convention. Lets face it,the big industrial states are not in the DEMS pocket this time.McCain has a shot in states that Bush simply had to write off.Almost all OBAMA'S wins have been in states the DEMS don't usually win.States they probably can't win in the general election.Can he get states in the south in the general election? Can he get the Black vote out in numbers enough to win in states like Georgia,and still win either Missouri or Ohio? The delegates are gunna decide this,and whoever can make the case best(electability) is gunna get it.He needs to beat her in a big state that DEMS usually win in the general.Until he does it,he isn't a sure thing(even if he has a delegate lead going to the convention.)This is going to the convention now.He can't beat her before the convention,and he better get that lead closer to 100 than to 50.It's all gunna count.If he keeps saying he has a lead in the delegates,then he is thinking wrong.He needs to get his lead as big as possible.How big his lead is going into the convention will determine this.Simply having a lead won't do it.

pdrift1 · #9 03-05-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

It is amazing that year after year the Democrats seem to blow their chance at the white house. People will say, well Bill Clinton didn't win the nomination until June 2nd and won the presidency. Well he was going up against Bush Sr who raised taxes after he said he wouldn't. So that was a pretty easy contest for him to win.

Even though Clinton won 3 of the 4 states, Obama still has a nice lead in the delegate count. I believe it is going to be a brokered convention and this is not good for the Dems. Three times in history the Dems went to their convention being brokered and they lost the presidency all three times.

For Obama and NAFTA (which is the worse piece of legislation ever) all he has to do is find a link between the Clinton's pasing NAFTA and the fact that Hillary was named to the board of Wal-Mart shortly after they left the White House.

Obama or Clinton have some good ideas but neither one of them will be a good President in the long run. Both health care policies are a joke, their economic plan is a joke, raising taxes on the rich doesn't do anything, getting out of Iraq is not the correct thing to do (now getting involved in the 1st place wasnt a great idea either), immigration issue is a farce. Now McCain's ideas aren't any better....I guess he is the lesser of 3 evils.

yeah the status quo seems to be working really well. country is in great shape right now.

whodey17 · #10 03-05-2008, 03:56 PM

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yeah the status quo seems to be working really well. country is in great shape right now.

I didn't mention anything about staus quo. Not sure where you are getting that. Please explain a little further about the connection between my post and status quo.

somerfrost · #11 03-05-2008, 04:05 PM

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yeah the status quo seems to be working really well. country is in great shape right now.

The status quo only works if McCain is elected...I've been a Hillary supporter since before all this started and I truly believe her election will turn a new page in American politics. There are those who hate Hillary, those who lower themselves to attacks on her appearance...that's sad but predictable. Obama is a natural leader, I can and will support him if he wins the nomination but I think the possibility of a Clinton/Obama ticket may become a reality. In any event, the country will have a clear choice...a 71 year old white guy who is basically a Bush clone or someone who just might bring about significant change for the better. This election is appearing to be more and more about the economy...and that's a dog that don't hunt for McCain!

pdrift1 · #12 03-05-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

I didn't mention anything about staus quo. Not sure where you are getting that. Please explain a little further about the connection between my post and status quo.

i guess it was the referring to the dems ideas as a joke and mcains no better and thinking to myself change can be good. we dont know the exact outcome of some of these policies unless they are implemented and put into action. nothing wrongwith trying something new. and i say status quo as to how the country has been run for so long aswe are not in the best of sorts, and improvments can be made in many areas. and some clean up needs to be done .i took it as you thought they are no better then what we have now. but from what we have now we can only go upwards hopefully

SentToStud · #13 03-05-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17

It is amazing that year after year the Democrats seem to blow their chance at the white house. People will say, well Bill Clinton didn't win the nomination until June 2nd and won the presidency. Well he was going up against Bush Sr who raised taxes after he said he wouldn't. So that was a pretty easy contest for him to win.

Even though Clinton won 3 of the 4 states, Obama still has a nice lead in the delegate count. I believe it is going to be a brokered convention and this is not good for the Dems. Three times in history the Dems went to their convention being brokered and they lost the presidency all three times.

For Obama and NAFTA (which is the worse piece of legislation ever) all he has to do is find a link between the Clinton's pasing NAFTA and the fact that Hillary was named to the board of Wal-Mart shortly after they left the White House.

Obama or Clinton have some good ideas but neither one of them will be a good President in the long run. Both health care policies are a joke, their economic plan is a joke, raising taxes on the rich doesn't do anything, getting out of Iraq is not the correct thing to do (now getting involved in the 1st place wasnt a great idea either), immigration issue is a farce. Now McCain's ideas aren't any better....I guess he is the lesser of 3 evils.

Sez who? And why?

Sad about jobs leaving but really now, do you think those jobs weren't leaving if not for NAFTA?

The jobs that went were going to go.

pdrift1 · #14 03-05-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

The status quo only works if McCain is elected...I've been a Hillary supporter since before all this started and I truly believe her election will turn a new page in American politics. There are those who hate Hillary, those who lower themselves to attacks on her appearance...that's sad but predictable. Obama is a natural leader, I can and will support him if he wins the nomination but I think the possibility of a Clinton/Obama ticket may become a reality. In any event, the country will have a clear choice...a 71 year old white guy who is basically a Bush clone or someone who just might bring about significant change for the better. This election is appearing to be more and more about the economy...and that's a dog that don't hunt for McCain!

hey somer i have my questions for you on the fantasy baseball thread -take a read and let me know

somerfrost · #15 03-05-2008, 04:23 PM

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hey somer i have my questions for you on the fantasy baseball thread -take a read and let me know

See if my posts answer your questions...oh, yes 7pm Central, 8pm Eastern.

SCUDSBROTHER · #16 03-05-2008, 05:25 PM

WOW!! What an f'd up system the Texas Democratic Party has going on.Are you kid'n me? 1/3 of the delegates are given out in the caucus(which looks like a disaster.)The other 2/3 of the delegates are given out by voting in private.Hillary won that by about 100 thousand votes.Now wait,they don't give out delegates by the amount of votes statewide.They give out delegates by the district,and Democratic stronghold areas are given more delegates than the more rural Republican dominated districts.How about we just count up peoples votes.Same as in the National Election in November.Forget the damn state your in.Just add up each Americans vote.Period.For a country that claims be to "fair" and just.We just aren't.If your a Democrat living out in the Texas countryside,evidently your vote in the primary doesn't count as much in the primary as some Democrat from an inner city Dallas district.Then,that same Democrat out in the Texas Countryside really doesn't have any reason to vote in November,because this is a red state.Someday,this crap has to be looked at.Just because you're a voting minority in a state,shouldn't make your vote useless in a presidential election.This is the case for Democrats in Texas,and Republicans in New York etc.

AeWingnut · #17 03-05-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Clintons can play this game pretty well.She says it ain't a game,but she has a lot of clutch moves to make when she has to win.She needs to keep pounding away at his inexperience.This mistake his people made over the NAFTA/Canada issue is her in.This is really his only Achilles.To win,she has to make him look like he isn't ready for the job(he very well may not be-I don't think he is.)By the end of this,she will look way too partisan to get elected president.Obama is gunna look like he is too inexperienced for the job(too amateurish.)If McCain gets to the center now he will take this.He needs to ignore the Conservatives totally.These assholes are gunna vote for him no matter what.If he gets to the center more,then he is in.

so, McCain should try to be conservative ?

like it or not that is the center.

This conservative will NEVER vote for McCain. I would rather have the evil D stalinist than another RINO pretender.

I have a co-worker that hates unions (of which I am a member) and he votes dem. I was like.. "but dems support unions" and he just laughed. Then NAFTA passed and he was tickled to death to see all the factories closing.

Dems forget it was a dem majority in congress and a dem president that sold us out on NAFTA.

GBBob · #18 03-05-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

so, McCain should try to be conservative ?

like it or not that is the center.

This conservative will NEVER vote for McCain. I would rather have the evil D stalinist than another RINO pretender.

I have a co-worker that hates unions (of which I am a member) and he votes dem. I was like.. "but dems support unions" and he just laughed. Then NAFTA passed and he was tickled to death to see all the factories closing.

Dems forget it was a dem majority in congress and a dem president that sold us out on NAFTA.

Potential Cannon running mate

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 03-05-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

so, McCain should try to be conservative ?

like it or not that is the center.

This conservative will NEVER vote for McCain. I would rather have the evil D stalinist than another RINO pretender.

I have a co-worker that hates unions (of which I am a member) and he votes dem. I was like.. "but dems support unions" and he just laughed. Then NAFTA passed and he was tickled to death to see all the factories closing.

Dems forget it was a dem majority in congress and a dem president that sold us out on NAFTA.

No,it's not the center(if it was,then you wouldn't have this guy as your Republican Presidential Candidate.)Even if you think Republicans voted for him because they were scared of losing with a Conservative.They still were doing that as a result of their views being right of the country's center.The country's center is somewhere between Lieberman and McCain.The more he gets like Lieberman,the more chance he has.Conservatives will vote against Hillary,or Obama(if it's a close state.)McCain should ignore them.Do what he did last week to the Cincy ass-hole.

SCUDSBROTHER · #20 03-05-2008, 05:52 PM

"Who is this Rush Limbaugh character?"-John McCain