Dude is pregnant!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont get it. Whats wrong with a transgender woman, whos now a man, being pregnant, and giving birth?

Look at it from the kids point of view, its not difficult to explain that your dad birthed you. Where do people get off thinking its a big deal if a kids father gives birth?

Will the dad breastfeed him? Is thats what next, some transgender fruitcake trying to breastfeed their child in public? Then I suppose there will be an outrage from all the liberals when people are offended by it.

On second thought, I've seen how wrong my thought was. You and Pgardn are right.

Every
child
deserves
a mother
and a father.

You know, I get some objections. I really do. But on the other hand, I'm sick and tired of listening to people who have f*cked something up get all up in arms when someone else wants in. Gays want to get married? Nope, can't have it, it will ruin marriage. Obviously, unlike the 50% divorce rate ruins marriage. You want to have a child in an unorthodox fashion? Nope, can't have it, every child deserves a mother and a father.

When you suck at doing something, you don't get to play the moral relativity card and pretend that you have any right to tell anyone else they can't have it or can't do it.

Unless, of course, you're a self-righteous prick, then it's probably just standard operating procedure.

Nuff said.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

If he was born a female than he is a female.

[onebadbeast]

you had me worried that i was pregnant when u said dude!
we got one of these guys? or gal he wants to be called, at our workplace, even goes in the womens restroom, i shouldve used that line to get in years ago. but i think he is just klinger.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by onebadbeast

you had me worried that i was pregnant when u said dude!
we got one of these guys? or gal he wants to be called, at our workplace, even goes in the womens restroom, i shouldve used that line to get in years ago. but i think he is just klinger.

.....Dude!

[The Bid]

You're a pretty sharp guy Brian, Im sure you can see where a kid would be confused being birthed by his father, whos really a woman, but is living life as a man. Its not an argument against gays, gays having kids, or gay marraige. Its just commonsense that this kid is going to have a hardtime growing up, and how can that be argued?

For the record Im against any kind of marraige, whether it be gay or straight. Just seems like a miserable thing to me, why are gays fighting to be miserable.

[Cajungator26]

Bid is pretty old school. VERY old school.

[The Bid]

He will have an identity crisis like his mother. He will be confused, made fun of, teased, probably beat up. Forced to deal with a lot of things normal kids dont need to deal with. Normal 13 year olds are trying to figure out where to hide a porno mag, this kids going to be dealing with how to explain his mom is his father. He wont be accepted by "normal kids", or "normal kids" parents. Im sure you had sleepovers when you were a kid, most parents are going to take issue with his family situation and not allow that. Im sure a slew of issues will come up, its just not fair to bring a child into a situation like that.

I guess if old school is not having your dad give birth then yeah, GUILTY

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

He will have an identity crisis like his mother. He will be confused, made fun of, teased, probably beat up. Forced to deal with a lot of things normal kids dont need to deal with. Normal 13 year olds are trying to figure out where to hide a porno mag, this kids going to be dealing with how to explain his mom is his father. He wont be accepted by "normal kids", or "normal kids" parents. Im sure you had sleepovers when you were a kid, most parents are going to take issue with his family situation and not allow that. Im sure a slew of issues will come up, its just not fair to bring a child into a situation like that.

I guess if old school is not having your dad give birth then yeah, GUILTY

You're old school on most topics - not just this one.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Bid

You're a pretty sharp guy Brian, Im sure you can see where a kid would be confused being birthed by his father, whos really a woman, but is living life as a man. Its not an argument against gays, gays having kids, or gay marraige. Its just commonsense that this kid is going to have a hardtime growing up, and how can that be argued?

For the record Im against any kind of marraige, whether it be gay or straight. Just seems like a miserable thing to me, why are gays fighting to be miserable.

Especially for young people who are not ready for it and the responsibility..........
and get "cold feet" five months after the fact!

I've been with the same person for 18 years.....trust is something you learn in a relationship and sticking through the hard times.

[The Bid]

You are one of the few Triple H, congrats.

CG, Im certainly not liberal, but Im not closed minded. This is just an extremely perverse situation

[The Bid]

Its 2008? I guess by 2025 most dads will be birthing their children, and it will be widely accepted.

The kid starts with such a great disadvantage I dont even want to speculate on what a horrible childhood he will have.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Bid

You are one of the few Triple H, congrats.

CG, Im certainly not liberal, but Im not closed minded. This is just an extremely perverse situation

When you know two young people change the wedding date four different times and now less than six months after decided that marriage wasn't for one of them....well, it seems like a lot of trouble for nothing. It's a sad situation that could have been avoided if they waited until they were BOTH sure to take the leap.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

On second thought, I've seen how wrong my thought was. You and Pgardn are right.

Every
child
deserves
a mother
and a father.

You know, I get some objections. I really do. But on the other hand, I'm sick and tired of listening to people who have f*cked something up get all up in arms when someone else wants in. Gays want to get married? Nope, can't have it, it will ruin marriage. Obviously, unlike the 50% divorce rate ruins marriage. You want to have a child in an unorthodox fashion? Nope, can't have it, every child deserves a mother and a father.

When you suck at doing something, you don't get to play the moral relativity card and pretend that you have any right to tell anyone else they can't have it or can't do it.

Unless, of course, you're a self-righteous prick, then it's probably just standard operating procedure.

Nuff said.

Why in the world do you
go on Oprah to get this out
in the open?

That tells me something about
the parent's decision making here.
I have no problem with the kid having
two people to take care of her.

But one has to question their entire
reasoning for having this child. And Oprah
stating this is a lesson in diversity? She is
not stumping for Obama here. What the
heck does this have to do with diversity?
Its not like this is a new race of people.

Publicity stunt with money involved.
Thats certainly the way to start off
with a child.

[MaTH716]

This is why the kid can't have a normal life. The whole world knows what the situation is. The kid will always be labeled as "the first child to be delivered by their father". The world knows the way she was concieved. There will always be some kind of media exposure about the kid. If the parents stayed quiet, then there would have been a chance that it could have been a normal situation. I just think the parents are out for a big payday. Already on Oprah and betting that magazines like people will pay big dollars for the first baby pictures.

[magic_idol]

For me its not a big deal,
All bullshit aside its a simple case of a female having a baby who wants to be a father.
With all the probs in the world it could have been alot worse !!! Crack heads deliver underweight babies addicted from birth, Abusive violent families where the children get hurt & the worse one of all !!! it could come out look up at its mum & she could be Britney Spears !!!!!

While i dont agree with the whole sex change thing ( i just dont get how a man could look at another mans arse & go wow thats sexy )If we were all the same it would be pretty boring

Originally Posted by magic_idol

All bullshit aside its a simple case of a female having a baby who wants to be a father.
With all the probs in the world it could have been alot worse !!! Crack heads deliver underweight babies addicted from birth, Abusive violent families where the children get hurt & the worse one of all !!!

With all due respect I found the bolded funny.

A simple case of a female getting artificially
inseminated via sperm from her wife (she went
to the sperm bank and made a withdrawl for Dad)
but she likes being a man.
The family (mom and dad) decided
that the man who had the baby would play the Dad
and the Mom (artificial inseminator) would play the role
of the mom. The Dad is going to write a book about
his/her childhood which involves the suicide of her mother.

Simple?
I found it fairly complicated.
Which of course is why Oprah
payed these people to bring it out
oh so privately and then called it a
diversity issue.

I do agree there are a lot worse ways to raise a child
but that is not what was being discussed. And hopefully
the child is born healthy and happy. I think between the
book and the family appearance on Oprah, low socioeconomic
status will not be a problem. People Magazine is also involved
so its all good.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Bid

You're a pretty sharp guy Brian, Im sure you can see where a kid would be confused being birthed by his father, whos really a woman, but is living life as a man. Its not an argument against gays, gays having kids, or gay marraige. Its just commonsense that this kid is going to have a hardtime growing up, and how can that be argued?

For the record Im against any kind of marraige, whether it be gay or straight. Just seems like a miserable thing to me, why are gays fighting to be miserable.

I just tend to think the paradigm shifted, and has been constantly shifting for some time now. I would imagine there are some people around here who are old enough to remember a time when, I dunno, having a black father and a white mother would have been seen as the kind of thing that would give a kid a 'hard time growing up,' because the family dynamic was so out of the ordinary and generally frowned upon.

I guess I just think that change is inevitable, advances in possibilities are inevitable, and you can either fight it or you can take it for what it's worth and try to keep the world going as best you can.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I just tend to think the paradigm shifted, and has been constantly shifting for some time now. I would imagine there are some people around here who are old enough to remember a time when, I dunno, having a black father and a white mother would have been seen as the kind of thing that would give a kid a 'hard time growing up,' because the family dynamic was so out of the ordinary and generally frowned upon.

I guess I just think that change is inevitable, advances in possibilities are inevitable, and you can either fight it or you can take it for what it's worth and try to keep the world going as best you can.

The sad truth is it really is much tougher to grow up as a kid of mixed color.
This is very general, but it seems that Blacks tend to see you as too
white. And of course Whites see you as Black. It aint easy.

I think this whole deal was a big publicity stunt.
Could have been avoided. This was probably not
the first time this has happened. First publicized.