DERBY NOTES (4/24-25): 'Spell' to Oaks only..

[Kasept]

Rich Migliore will now ride Bob Black Jack if he gets in with David Flores jumping to Behindatthebar.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Rich Migliore will now ride Bob Black Jack if he gets in with David Flores jumping to Behindatthebar.

When did they decide to wreck Behindatthebar by running him into the ground? Sad the way Derby fever helps make bad decisions.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Rich Migliore will now ride Bob Black Jack if he gets in with David Flores jumping to Behindatthebar.

Good chance Migliore will be watching the Derby on TV. BBJ needs three defections from the following list:

Massive Drama (probable defection)
Salute the Sarge (probable defection)
Proud Spell (50-50 i'll bet)
Eight Belles (going)
Behindatthebar (going)

....or, he needs two from the above, plus an injury.

[Kasept]

Proud Spell is much less likely as an entrant to the Derby as of late yesterday afternoon according to media representatives at Churchill. While final decisions for Larry Jones and his two big fillies are pending until they work over the weekend, indications are more solid that Eight Belles (Rick Porter) is Derby-bound and Proud Spell (Brereton Jones) Oaks-committed.

CURRENT EARNINGS LIST REFLECTING NO PROUD SPELL:

1 Pyro 1,020,000
2 Tale of Ekati 738,000
3 Colonel John 720,000
4 Gayego 640,000
5 Big Brown 600,000

6 Z Humor 579,000
7 Monba 515,000
8 Court Vision 331,872
9 Z Fortune 329,000
10 Adriano 310,000

11 Recapturetheglory 300,000
12 Smooth Air 290,000
13 Cool Coal Man 212,767
14 Anak Nakal 212,216
15 Eight Belles (f) 210,000

16 Cowboy Cal 207,660
17 Behindatthebar 204,500
18 Visionaire 202,500
19 Big Truck 194,500
20 Bob Black Jack 180,000
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21 Denis of Cork 165,000
22 Halo Najib $157,996
23 Indian Sun $154,000
24 Tomcito $151,292

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

When did they decide to wreck Behindatthebar by running him into the ground? Sad the way Derby fever helps make bad decisions.

New partner buying in to 'BATB'..
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...226#post357226

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Kasept

New partner buying in to 'BATB'..
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...226#post357226

It's too bad a horse like BATB will keep a colt with a better chance like Denis out of the race.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

It's too bad a horse like BATB will keep a colt with a better chance like Denis out of the race.

DOC may have a better chance than BATB, but he really isn't #21 overall, but moved up the list because of War Pass, Salute The Sarge, maybe Proud Spell, etc. So you're looking at a horse who was more like 25th in earnings and dug his own grave by a strange Spring campaign. Even if Hawthorne had a rail bias that day, a slightly better showing and he'd be in. Maybe they should be grateful that he's actually at #21?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

It's too bad a horse like BATB will keep a colt with a better chance like Denis out of the race.

From what I have seen Behindatthebar will out run Dennis of Cork. I just dont like the fact that his last 2 races are so close while trying to go 1 1/4 with the top of his class.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

DOC may have a better chance than BATB, but he really isn't #21 overall, but moved up the list because of War Pass, Salute The Sarge, maybe Proud Spell, etc. So you're looking at a horse who was more like 25th in earnings and dug his own grave by a strange Spring campaign. Even if Hawthorne had a rail bias that day, a slightly better showing and he'd be in. Maybe they should be grateful that he's actually at #21?

Well, 21 relative to the current standings... I honestly could care less if DoC gets in anyway, he's not among my list of contenders that can win the race. I just rate him as having a better shot than BATB.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by GBBob

DOC may have a better chance than BATB, but he really isn't #21 overall, but moved up the list because of War Pass, Salute The Sarge, maybe Proud Spell, etc. So you're looking at a horse who was more like 25th in earnings and dug his own grave by a strange Spring campaign. Even if Hawthorne had a rail bias that day, a slightly better showing and he'd be in. Maybe they should be grateful that he's actually at #21?

They wouldn't be grateful at all.. Horse is doing fabulous and Carroll would really like to get the chance here. Peter Pan or Preakness are the alternatives..

After the tremendous workout the other day, Denis of Cork returned to the track yesterday and just looked powerful and fluid and eager to do more. Anyone who was a backer of the colt before the intrusion of Warren "advisors" Mark Reid and Mike Ryan should be hoping things fall his way and he runs.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

They wouldn't be grateful at all.. Horse is doing fabulous and Carroll would really like to get the chance here. Peter Pan or Preakness are the alternatives..

After the tremendous workout the other day, Denis of Cork returned to the track yesterday and just looked powerful and fluid and eager to do more. Anyone who was a backer of the colt before the intrusion of Warren "advisors" Mark Reid and Mike Ryan should be hoping things fall his way and he runs.

It's a good thing ( for you at least ) that you didn't have a mancrush on Jim Jones.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a good thing ( for you at least ) that you didn't have a mancrush on Jim Jones.

Chortle..

What can I tell ya? Horse is doing great... Was cheated out of an opportunity to follow through on the desired path laid out by his trainer last winter, and I'd like to see him given a chance to prove himself since he's this close...

[Danzig]

i liked denis of cork, until the train derailed...of course that has nothing to do with the horse or his ability.
but i don't know that even if he got in i'd give him much shot. of course the figs say he's sitting on a big one.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What can I tell ya? Horse is doing great... Was cheated out of an opportunity to follow through on the desired path laid out by his trainer last winter, and I'd like to see him given a chance to prove himself since he's this close...

Well, the winter book exacta I made with him and Make the Point is dead so I really don't care.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i liked denis of cork, until the train derailed...of course that has nothing to do with the horse or his ability.
but i don't know that even if he got in i'd give him much shot. of course the figs say he's sitting on a big one.

I beg to differ.

However, if he gets in the race I think he's worth considering. I mean, he's no Smooth Air, we all know that, but he might have a shot.

Yeah DoC will have a 10% chance of winning if they go 20 and 43 up front.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah DoC will have a 10% chance of winning if they go 20 and 43 up front.

Well, he's one of the VERY few horses who has actually flashed some ability and comes into this race with a legitimate excuse. Considering that is a big part of how I handicap in general he makes a lot of sense to me. Whether or not he is good enough, of course, is the bigger question.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, he's one of the VERY few horses who has actually flashed some ability and comes into this race with a legitimate excuse. Considering that is a big part of how I handicap in general he makes a lot of sense to me. Whether or not he is good enough, of course, is the bigger question.

Other than the fact that the connections rival the Knicks front office in ineptitude...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, he's one of the VERY few horses who has actually flashed some ability and comes into this race with a legitimate excuse. Considering that is a big part of how I handicap in general he makes a lot of sense to me. Whether or not he is good enough, of course, is the bigger question.

Being horribly mismanaged by his TG infatuated owners is a legitimate excuse?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

It's too bad a horse like BATB will keep a colt with a better chance like Denis out of the race.

I have a nice futures bet on DoC, but Behindatthebar went out and did what he needed to do his last race, while DoC didn't do crap.