Dutrow's Confidence in Big Brown - Page 2

hockey2315 · #21 04-25-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

So, your assumption is that he never galloped/worked the horse on the dirt and thus had no idea whether the horse could handle it or not?

Isn't it more about the fact that he entered him in a turf race?

the_fat_man · #22 04-25-2008, 07:00 PM

Makes perfect sense without having to read anything into it. The horse is fragile; he hasn't run in months; why not put him on the surface, 1st time back, that he's already won on? Doesn't mean the trainer is clueless.

If he wins impressively on the turf (the field wasn't much on either surface) would it be a HUGE stretch for Dutrow to run him in the Floriday Derby?

More than, say, Motion running Adriano in the FoY off of his impressive turf win?

ELA · #23 04-25-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Isn't it more about the fact that he entered him in a turf race?

That might be the fact. However, if the turf race goes, how does that play out? If he wins big, Dutrow has options. I don't know what he would have done, and nobody could predict that. On the other hand, if he loses, well, who knows. Maybe the horse doesn't progress, move forward, hold up, etc. The world is made up of what if's as we all know. It's hypothetical. I don't know if I would call it luck or dumb luck for that matter.

Regardless, while your point is well taken, like him or not, Dutrow is no dummy. If it played out differently, he might not be sitting on the favorite for the Derby, but he is in fact right now.

Eric

Cannon Shell · #24 04-25-2008, 07:34 PM

Dutrow loves every horse he runs. This is just getting reported because it's the Derby and everything gets reported. He is actually a funny guy who tends to say whatever is on his mind at the time.

SCUDSBROTHER · #25 04-26-2008, 12:47 AM

Why don't his horses get tired? I mean,people,most of us watch these races 3-6 days a week...His horses don't really get tired like other guys horses...Give him whatever stakes horse you want,and when they go to him they won't get as tired.I'm surprised he is saying this stuff going into this race.He is gunna have the hugest target on him,and it ain't 10 horses.It's like 18-20 horses.If guys really want to do it,then they can get him beat. If he gets an inside post,and has any trouble at all getting out of that gate,then they can seal him in pretty damn good.

pick4 · #26 04-26-2008, 01:03 AM

DRF reporter David Grening profiles Richard Dutrow Jr in his Sunday DRF article. Ricky has a lot to say. It goes without saying he's feeling pretty good about Big Brown's chances in that horse race they expect to win a week from today.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/94024.html

SCUDSBROTHER · #27 04-26-2008, 01:22 AM

You need luck to win that race.Prado is probably best at positioning horses.Prado is his favorite jock.Because it's a big field ,and he thinks he just needs to stay out of trouble,I think I would have switched to Prado.This isn't the Florida Derby.This race will have horses who can run early with him.This is a tougher assignment for the jock.Prado is smoother,and a more consistent rider.I would have upgraded to my main guy.It may be the only chance he has to win the derby,and why go with a jock who did indeed blow a triple crown by opening up a lil too early on Real Quiet? See,Kent has always been the type to go all in,and hope he can hold on.Prado is just smoother.

ateamstupid · #28 04-26-2008, 02:22 AM

I wasn't rooting for or against Big Brown until I read this nonsense.

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"Until somebody shows me the beast, this is not a tough horse race," Dutrow said in a typical recent interview. "I'm training this horse for a horse race; I don't care what the name of it is. I feel he's the best horse in the race - I feel he's going to win the race. Anything else is going to be extremely disappointing to me.

"I know there's no one going into this race as good as he is right now. If he breaks clean, it's a mismatch to me on paper."

**** Dutrow in the pants. I hope Big Brown runs up the track. Then that douchebag will understand how difficult it really is to win the Derby.

SCUDSBROTHER · #29 04-26-2008, 03:21 AM

I'll tell ya something ,Joey.What chance do you think that Black Jack horse has to get 10f? All it would take is that horse getting a lil rank,and wanting to run off.If he sets a fast pace(with Brown laying a close 2nd-3rd-4th,) then it's gunna suck the middle and back of that field past that front.I don't care if he's best.When you got this many horses it ain't all up to you.You still gotta get lucky.This is not like the other 3 races he has had.He has been able to clear 3 times without much fight from anybody.This race is the 1st time all the best 3 year olds have met,and it will have horses who can run front, middle, and back. Can he clear on the far turn? He might,but he may have to go quite a bit quicker this time in the middle.It's different.On paper,he is best.This race has a stand out favorite.He will be targeted. We haven't had such a big favorite in the derby recently.They gunna be trying to get this horse in trouble.He can win it,but they will make it as hard on him as possible.

hockey2315 · #30 04-26-2008, 03:29 AM

But Dutrow horses don't get tired. . .

SCUDSBROTHER · #31 04-26-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

But Dutrow horses don't get tired. . .

That's why he is the favorite.Still gotta stay out of trouble,and all the others will be trying to get him into trouble.

Danzig · #32 04-26-2008, 07:48 AM

big brown showed he was best in his three races. i don't know that he's shown he's the best three year old. like someone else said, dutrow sounds like bobby frankel a few years ago with empire maker.
i guess i'm just sick to death of hearing about big brown, with new threads from differing angles (like this one) begun on the board ad nauseum.

TheSpyder · #33 04-26-2008, 07:50 AM

You could start a "Stop Big Brown Threads" thread....oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Danzig

big brown showed he was best in his three races. i don't know that he's shown he's the best three year old. like someone else said, dutrow sounds like bobby frankel a few years ago with empire maker.
i guess i'm just sick to death of hearing about big brown, with new threads from differing angles (like this one) begun on the board ad nauseum.

Danzig · #34 04-26-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

You could start a "Stop Big Brown Threads" thread....oh wait...

The Bid · #35 04-26-2008, 10:30 AM

I think we are all sick to death of hearing about Dutrow, Big Brown, IEAH, and anything else involving that crew. That being said its been a very well managed advertising campaign by Mr Iavarone whos obviously much smarter than most of the dummies who play this game. Hes aquired good horses, albeit top dollar, hes put them in the right hands while DRF, Bloodhorse, TTimes, and any other publication I can think of has pimped them very steady. To play at the level those guys are playing is very difficult, they have done a masterful job marketing.

#36 04-26-2008, 11:05 AM

I want more about Dutrow.

If the DRF article is accurate,
then you just know the guy is
that much more of a character.

I think he would be a very interesting
guy to sit next to and just listen to him
yap. Im the best with horses; and I
can be the best while high, pickled,
or comfortably numb.

Or we could listen to Tagg while around
the campfire. Cold night tonite Barclay...
Yep. Big race next Saturday...
Yep. Oh hell Im not an insider.

At least these guys have some brains
unlike so many other sports personalities.
I just love the interviews with college
basketball players. Hey what are you listening
to lately besides Soldjuh boiy...?
Favorite X-box game?
Are you still skipping that Basket Weaving class?

Look at the reaction from Joey. Good stuff.

hi_im_god · #37 04-26-2008, 12:19 PM

"I've never heard a trainer speak this confidently about his horse before the derby."

bud delp and spectacular bid leap to mind.

i'm not suggesting there's a comparison between the horses. but until dutrow's beats "a better horse never looked through a bridle", i'm leaving the pre-derby confidence crown with delp.

The Bid · #38 04-28-2008, 09:21 AM

The difference is Delp was right. Dutrow isnt

johnny pinwheel · #39 04-28-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's why he is the favorite.Still gotta stay out of trouble,and all the others will be trying to get him into trouble.

my question is : why is he the favorite? off of one race . the other 2 were turf races(one was taken off), and the florida derby field was a pack of chumps. its the kind of horse people that bet once a year like. not people that take the time to handicap and write on here .

cakes44 · #40 04-28-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You need luck to win that race.Prado is probably best at positioning horses.Prado is his favorite jock.Because it's a big field ,and he thinks he just needs to stay out of trouble,I think I would have switched to Prado.This isn't the Florida Derby.This race will have horses who can run early with him.This is a tougher assignment for the jock.Prado is smoother,and a more consistent rider.I would have upgraded to my main guy.It may be the only chance he has to win the derby,and why go with a jock who did indeed blow a triple crown by opening up a lil too early on Real Quiet? See,Kent has always been the type to go all in,and hope he can hold on.Prado is just smoother.

I don't think Prado rides for Dutrow anymore after the St. Liam issue. I could be wrong though.