Casino Drive: Defender of the Crown?

[justindew]

Just tossing it out there. No one else in America looks up to the task.

Have a nice day.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You are holding out hope that a horse with one career start - which came in Japan no less - can prevent a triple crown in a 12 furlong race?

Big Brown's hind shoes are turndowns - which are illegal in New York - I think Casino Drive is about as likely to stop him in the Belmont as the change to regulated back shoes will.

[justindew]

Casino Drive will have had two starts by the time the Belmont rolls around. One of which will have come over the track.

And I'm not hoping for anything.

[ddthetide]

IF big brown had different connections he would be easy to root for. sad that a nice horse is tied to this crew.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Harlem Rocker is the most likely Preakness spoiler.

If Big Brown makes short work of that field - they might have to take a page out of Dutrow's '05 Woodward playbook (run two rabbits to harass Big Brown from both sides) to beat him in the Belmont.

If Casino Drive wasn't out of Better Than Honour he'd not only be unheard of - but he'd still be in Japan.

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

IF big brown had different connections he would be easy to root for. sad that a nice horse is tied to this crew.

Yeah.

It's not the horse's fault though.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Doubtful ain't one beats him in the Preakness.....now, the Belmont Stakes...that's another question!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Just show up fresh in the Belmont,and you got a shot. You really think Bird droppings was anywhere near as good as Smarty? Didn't matter.He was fresh with some distance ability.That's what you need to have.Winners of the 1st 2 legs of the Triple Crown are still tired,and they don't have those tight turns anymore(it's a real 12f race,and that last 8th of a mile is not what they are ready for.)

[Danzig]

horse comes around the turn, and still has a 1/4 mile to go..has to be hard for a horse who's used to running a bit down the lane and then shutting her down to have to keep going and going....

but he has to win in md first. swale, anyone?

so, no matter how impressive big browns win was, and it was impressive, this is NOT easy. 11 horses have done it. how many won two of the three? a lot more than 11!

[pointman]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Just show up fresh in the Belmont,and you got a shot. You really think Bird droppings was anywhere near as good as Smarty? Didn't matter.He was fresh with some distance ability.That's what you need to have.Winners of the 1st 2 legs of the Triple Crown are still tired,and they don't have those tight turns anymore(it's a real 12f race,and that last 8th of a mile is not what they are ready for.)

It also helps when there are 3 or 4 riders whose only object is to take one horse out of the race instead of trying to win it themselves. Maybe Jerry Bailey will come out of retirement for the Belmont.

[Better Than Honour]

they will not beat a 100% sound big brown but if he has any foot problem a 12f race will take the toll on them. he is very beatable in a 12f race if there is a horse in there that wants to run 12f. casino drive probably could pick up the pieces if big brown goes backwards in the stretch. somebody in that race is going to be a birdstone or jazil. not very talented but at a competitive advantage in a 12f race. casino drive appears the most likely candidate if he runs a solid peter pan.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

they will not beat a 100% sound big brown but if he has any foot problem a 12f race will take the toll on them. he is very beatable in a 12f race if there is a horse in there that wants to run 12f. casino drive probably could pick up the pieces if big brown goes backwards in the stretch. somebody in that race is going to be a birdstone or jazil. not very talented but at a competitive advantage in a 12f race. casino drive appears the most likely candidate if he runs a solid peter pan.

Wasn't Birdstone a multiple Grade I winner?

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by justindew

Wasn't Birdstone a multiple Grade I winner?

Yes. There are quite a few that are multiple grade 1 winners that aren't that talented.

[AlexP]

Birdstone was talented. He completed a triple that was either done by only a couple of horses or not very many. Sure, he may not have been as good as the top horses that year like Smarty or Zapper, but he was still good. And, he had some stamina this breed needs.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by AlexP

Birdstone was talented. He completed a triple that was either done by only a couple of horses or not very many. Sure, he may not have been as good as the top horses that year like Smarty or Zapper, but he was still good. And, he had some stamina this breed needs.

True, but he was not very fast.

[AlexP]

That's one of the things that separates the greats from the non greats, lol. And I have to admit, I LOVED his Travers, although more because of the weather.

[Better Than Honour]

Originally Posted by AlexP

That's one of the things that separates the greats from the non greats, lol. And I have to admit, I LOVED his Travers, although more because of the weather.

Well I am a huge fan of Jazil but maybe I shouldn't have grouped Birdstone with him. Birdstone was quite the animal. He had to be to run down Smarty Jones.

[AlexP]

Yeah. I liked Jazil too, but he wasn't as good lol.

[justindew]

Bump.

[jaripeo]

IN BELMONDRUGS HE WILL BE THE ONLY CLEAN ONE