News flash to Calvin Borel...

[cakes44]

you are not riding Street Sense every Kentucky Derby and the pace won't be 46 and change every year.

[ELA]

Too bad you are not 5'2'' or 5'3'' and about 112lbs. I am sure you would have more success than him and could really teach him a thing or two.

Eric

It would be a scientific breakthrough if Calvin had the ability to find this forum.

[eagles725]

If you look at my thread a few spots down you can understand why I sympathize with the this lol!!!

[cakes44]

News flash to ELA...this is a horse racing message board and this is the kind of thing that goes on here. I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, but he was only riding for 3rd out of the gate with a major contender.

[Antitrust32]

I was pissed when he was last on the backstreach.. F'in calvin, just because you did it with street sense last year doesnt mean it will work with DoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

With all due respect going to Eight Belles and her terrific race, I think DoC was the 2nd best horse in the race. Granted I'm biased because I wagered around DoC

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I was pissed when he was last on the backstreach.. F'in calvin, just because you did it with street sense last year doesnt mean it will work with DoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

With all due respect going to Eight Belles and her terrific race, I think DoC was the 2nd best horse in the race. Granted I'm biased because I wagered around DoC

Just because he was sitting 20th half the race? Uh no. If he was sent mid-pack he would've more than likely been in all sorts of traffic trouble. AND he more than likely wouldn't have had the dream rail trip down the stretch.

[cakes44]

Walking out of the gait and taking the left hand turn to start the race, giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

[ARyan]

Yeah, screw you Calvin, you took a contender who would have been closing from pretty far back, and gave him a great ground saving trip, kept him clear of trouble and beat everyone but the best horse in the race and an amazingly game filly.

How dare you give the best ride you could have given and only get the owners 3rd place purse money! What is wrong with you! You shouldn't ride again! You shouldn't be given a dime for that ride!

What is worse, is I bet you didn't even talk over what the game plan was with the trainer leading up to the Derby. Wow, you stink!

Cakes, great post!!!

Originally Posted by cakes44

The left hand turn to start the race and giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

He made up for that with the rail trip down the stretch. What do you want Calvin to do from the 16 hole? Send him and get pinned wide around the first turn?

It was the absolute right move for that type of horse and it paid off. It was his best race yet. He had absolutely no shot of beating Big Brown.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He managed to get to the rail before the 3/16ths pole while starting from post #16.

I absolutely love the way he's ridden the Derby the last two years - going straight to the rail and picking his way through the inside of a 20 horse pack without ever losing momentum.

The problem is that the expected fast pace this year never developed - if it had - he might own the two single best rides in Derby history.

[philcski]

There's ridiculous and then there's this post. Oy vey.

[cakes44]

A couple thoughts for those who want to put me in the corner with the dunce hat on for my opinion:

1) Isn't there some spot in between "sending him" and spotting the entire field 3+ lenghts out of the gate?

2) Would we be defending him so staunchly if Liquidity doesn't miraculously give up the rail last year and Street Sense finishes a well-beaten 2nd?

All I'm saying is that he got very lucky last year(and so did I or anyone else who had him on top) with a rail-loving horse who had a much better turn of foot. Does that mean it is automatically the best choice of trips for DoC the next year? Not in my opinion.

[SniperSB23]

Calvin's ride was just fine. It was the decision to choose post 16 instead of post 2 that baffles me. If Calvin was just going to the rail like that anyways why the hell would you choose post 16?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

IDoC... hes not even a deep closer more of a stalker..

Wasn't his best race the Southwest Stakes, a one mile race that saw him nearly 20 lengths out of it down the backstretch?

He also came from practically dead last in his maiden race.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Walking out of the gait and taking the left hand turn to start the race, giving up 5-6 lengths in the process hurt him more than anything.

You need a geometry refresher. There is no way the horse lost that many lengths, and then he saved several by being on the rail.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cakes44

News flash to ELA...this is a horse racing message board and this is the kind of thing that goes on here. I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, but he was only riding for 3rd out of the gate with a major contender.

Ha HA HA HA HA HA

sorry, man

I'm sitting here, unwinding for the day, reading all the RIDICULOUS bs on this board

and this is just about the funniest one today

[AeWingnut]

He was able to beat my horse out of the show money

I believe they wanted Calvin to give them that trip.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Ha HA HA HA HA HA

sorry, man

I'm sitting here, unwinding for the day, reading all the RIDICULOUS bs on this board

and this is just about the funniest one today

Which part, riding for third or major contender? My guess...both.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Which part, riding for third or major contender? My guess...both.

There isn't adequate video for the race, so I'm only going by my chart here.

Only two horses in the race gained significantly over two calls (let alone at any point) in the race: Colonel John and Denis of Cork.

Smooth Air and Visionaire gained the 3rd qtr but couldn't sustain it the 4th.

And Colonel John backed up badly the last two calls while DoC gained in the stretch call and ran almost evenly from there to the wire.

Now, I never thought much of DoC before the race and also didn't think much of CJ before his LAST race (where he ran significantly better).

So, it might appear, given the results, that DoC ran a huge race and those who thought his last race was AWFUL are nuts.

But I wonder what happens if DoC is a bit closer to the pace early, and not loping along out of harms way, INSIDE, and at the rear of the field. My guess would be that he'd have folded like an accordion the 4th split; and probably much worse than CJ did.

Of course, another interpretation would be that he ran HUGE and the jock blew the race.