It took less than 24 hours for the nuts to become vocal - Page 3

#41 05-05-2008, 09:17 AM

Well this is the third(?) thread on the subject...

search function...hard...whatnot.

HaloWishingwell · #42 05-05-2008, 10:53 AM

So PETA wants to burn someone and anyone for what happened. If it wasn't the jockey for pushing an injured filly then it's the abuse of the whip. I guess the jockey is in a no-win situation. If he doesn't use the whip and gets nipped for second does he gets fined or investigated for not finishing out the race? If they really had any idea about horse racing and truely cared about these animals they would look into the drug use involved on the horses instead of searching for publicity.

SniperSB23 · #43 05-05-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

So PETA wants to burn someone and anyone for what happened. If it wasn't the jockey for pushing an injured filly then it's the abuse of the whip. I guess the jockey is in a no-win situation. If he doesn't use the whip and gets nipped for second does he gets fined or investigated for not finishing out the race? If they really had any idea about horse racing and truely cared about these animals they would look into the drug use involved on the horses instead of searching for publicity.

Yeah, if they really wanted to do something then pushing for an autopsy that determines what sort of medications the horse was given would be a lot more effective than condemning the jockey and the use of a whip.

HaloWishingwell · #44 05-05-2008, 10:59 AM

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Yeah, if they really wanted to do something then pushing for an autopsy that determines what sort of medications the horse was given would be a lot more effective than condemning the jockey and the use of a whip.

If they have the money then let's not stop there. Check every horse including the winner.

SniperSB23 · #45 05-05-2008, 11:02 AM

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If they have the money then let's not stop there. Check every horse including the winner.

They might have enough influence to get an autopsy on Eight Belles done but no way they have the clout to get everyone tested.

HaloWishingwell · #46 05-05-2008, 11:33 AM

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They might have enough influence to get an autopsy on Eight Belles done but no way they have the clout to get everyone tested.

Funny thing is they might actually find something testing everyone and then be able to make some kind of point.

HaloWishingwell · #47 05-05-2008, 12:08 PM

Contrary to their own so called beliefs they will almost wish something bad to happen while again having a big stage. They might as well load up their cameras and ride in the ambulance during the race.

#48 05-05-2008, 12:15 PM

You should have made one thread for the Preakness and one for the Belmont.

Maybe a thread for the Peter Pan where PETA accuses the race of being originated by the founders of NAMBLA.

These threads would lead to one DT'er writing scripts for them that are eventually picked up by the WhoGivesARatsArse channel which is a subsidiary of Hallmark.

But you didn't. So much for that.

fpsoxfan · #49 05-05-2008, 12:37 PM

I hope PETA doesn't find out about the delicious ribs I had saturday.

AeWingnut · #50 05-05-2008, 01:13 PM

Peta is like that group that goes around protesting soldiers' funerals.

disgusting

AlexP · #51 05-05-2008, 01:32 PM

Who actually is tested post-race besides the winner?

ARyan · #52 05-05-2008, 01:34 PM

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This proves my point! You are entitled to your opinion but wild baseless accusations do little to advance the public discourse...and are an affront to those of us who give of ourselves to try and make a tiny bit of difference. How are you different from PETA at it's worst when you respond like that?

Rodney Coronado.

Peta is a terrorist org.

knickslions2 · #53 05-05-2008, 03:02 PM

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I remain a PETA member because they alone have the muscle and will-power to speak for the animals world-wide who suffer unbelievable abuse...as Pgardn and others have documented, they do so much good...but the public perception is distorted due to episodes like this! Working in animal rescue, many times I have felt the anger and frustration...so easy to seek blame! This certainly appears to be a tragic event that simply "happened"...blame must take a back seat to sorrow. Do we need to look at whip use in this country? I believe the answer is "yes"...other parts of the world have drastically reduced whip usage without damaging the sport, I think we should also. Surfaces? it's still early but the stats clearly show that while number of injuries remain somewhat constant with poly surfaces (compared to dirt), the number of catastrophic injuries is statistically significantly reduced...we must place horse (and jockey) welfare above handicapping concerns here! So...yes, PETA has valid points here....but attacking this young man is clearly wrong. I agree that PETA is it's own worst enemy many times...but I understand the emotional context from which these actions materialize. There simply is no justification for slaughtering animals in cruel and vicious acts of barbarism, whether it's peasants in Mexico, slaughterhouse employees in Canada, Michael Vick in the US or YUM Brands to produce KFC chicken. Then there is "research" for drug and cosmetic companies...the list of abuses go on seemingly forever. Yes, PETA often behaves badly and I feel "gets it wrong" in regards to racing...but at least they are heard...and someone has to speak up! RIP Eight Belles! My heart goes out to her connections and the brave young man who rode her!

PETA is useless waste of life.

somerfrost · #54 05-05-2008, 03:56 PM

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PETA is useless waste of life.

Why bother to quote my post when you don't address any of the points I mentioned? You could simply make you point of view known without the quote, seems like wated effort...

somerfrost · #55 05-05-2008, 04:09 PM

I was listening to Jim Rome on radio earlier...since he gotten into the sport he's been a big supporter of racing. Rome is an opinionated guy but I like him (even when I strongly disagree with him) because he speaks with conviction. He took a call from a wacko (yes, I call him that) who is a PETA member, the guy went through the mindless talking points of "animals are people too" and Rome was patient with him. Afterwards admidst the slew of angry phone calls and e-mails Rome noted that while he disagreed with the guy's presentation, he did raise some valid points. This is what I've been saying...we DO need to look at what happened and how it could possibly be avoided in the future...whip usage, track condition, training procedures...these are all valid concerns. IF there is fault then let it fall where it may. Rome believes that horses do enjoy racing (I agree), he doesn't think the injury happened earlier in the race (I don't either) and he can't believe the jock would risk the horse's life as well as his own (there were 18 horses rumbling along behind him afterall) to keep pushing her knowing she was injured. I agree! The accusations of PETA members against the jock, trainer and owners are ill-timed and just plain wrong in my opinion (I mailed a letter to PETA this morning expressing my anger over such irresponsible rhetoric) but I agree with Rome that this must be examined...not to place blame but to learn why and how perhaps we can prevent another wonderful animal's death in the future. He is having a woman from TVG on his TV show today to talk about it...should be worth watching!

knickslions2 · #56 05-05-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Why bother to quote my post when you don't address any of the points I mentioned? You could simply make you point of view known without the quote, seems like wated effort...

I work in drug development. PETA has no clue what is going on. I can't believe anyone half way intelligent would state they support them.

AeWingnut · #57 05-05-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You should have made one thread for the Preakness and one for the Belmont.

Maybe a thread for the Peter Pan where PETA accuses the race of being originated by the founders of NAMBLA.

These threads would lead to one DT'er writing scripts for them that are eventually picked up by the WhoGivesARatsArse channel which is a subsidiary of Hallmark.

But you didn't. So much for that.

thank you

somerfrost · #58 05-05-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2

I work in drug development. PETA has no clue what is going on. I can't believe anyone half way intelligent would state they support them.

So, you question my intellect? Still, you haven't addressed any of the issues I addressed in my post...are you saying that drug research doesn't use animals? I hope not...! Anyway, if you read my posts, I say over and over that I am not a mindless clone in lockstep with their every position rather I appreciate the many good things they accomplish. In this case, I oppose their "rush to judgement" while admitting that racing, for it's own sake, needs to consider issues like whipping, track surfaces and breeding.

somerfrost · #59 05-05-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I was listening to Jim Rome on radio earlier...since he gotten into the sport he's been a big supporter of racing. Rome is an opinionated guy but I like him (even when I strongly disagree with him) because he speaks with conviction. He took a call from a wacko (yes, I call him that) who is a PETA member, the guy went through the mindless talking points of "animals are people too" and Rome was patient with him. Afterwards admidst the slew of angry phone calls and e-mails Rome noted that while he disagreed with the guy's presentation, he did raise some valid points. This is what I've been saying...we DO need to look at what happened and how it could possibly be avoided in the future...whip usage, track condition, training procedures...these are all valid concerns. IF there is fault then let it fall where it may. Rome believes that horses do enjoy racing (I agree), he doesn't think the injury happened earlier in the race (I don't either) and he can't believe the jock would risk the horse's life as well as his own (there were 18 horses rumbling along behind him afterall) to keep pushing her knowing she was injured. I agree! The accusations of PETA members against the jock, trainer and owners are ill-timed and just plain wrong in my opinion (I mailed a letter to PETA this morning expressing my anger over such irresponsible rhetoric) but I agree with Rome that this must be examined...not to place blame but to learn why and how perhaps we can prevent another wonderful animal's death in the future. He is having a woman from TVG on his TV show today to talk about it...should be worth watching!

I think Rome did a good job addressing the issue on his TV show...true, he said nothing new to those of us who love this sport, particularly those who have actually worked on the backstretch, but more does need to be done to demonstrate the love horsepeople have for their horses and the lengths most of us go to protect them. The public can't be allowed to judge racing on the tragic event of the Derby (as pointed out on another show, this was the first on-track fatality in the history of the race)...this requires, as Rome said, a close look at the event and how to possibly prevent future tragedies.

AeWingnut · #60 05-05-2008, 05:50 PM

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Peta is like that group that goes around protesting soldiers' funerals.

disgusting

I agree with what I said too