Wayne Catalano-Frank Calebrese

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GBBob

whatever...the whole thing is bizarre

oh yeah it is....I wouldn't be caught dead in a cowboy hat

Originally Posted by Scav

I have no idea, my guess would be late 60's early 70's

Born: Nov. 4, 1928, Chicago

This Nick the Kid story sounds fascinating. Tell me more.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Born: Nov. 4, 1928, Chicago

This Nick the Kid story sounds fascinating. Tell me more.

Damn, good ole Calabrese is turning 80 this year....doesn't look it...

I have never met Nick the Kid, but he is one the racetrack characters at Arlington, along with Illini Shorts (same Illini shortS daily)

I think I read at Barn to Wire that he was kicked out of Arlington for harassing a security guard for one year. He is well known to all Arlington locals. I think he might even be allowed back into trackside now.

his classic attire, when he is in a good mood, is his cowboy hat, slick skinny tie and if we are real lucky, the boots come a walkin

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Scav

his classic attire, when he is in a good mood, is his cowboy hat, slick skinny tie and if we are real lucky, the boots come a walkin

Sounds hot

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And by meet's end, the Illinois numbers will be only slightly better than the Florida numbers.

slightly better so then 35-40% is normal, i gotta get a new trainer

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's very rare to have a streak like the one they're having. I don't think in my 15+ years of gambling on this sport that I can recall where an owner/trainer has won at this strong of a clip over a two week span.

It very well could be that all they've done is drop horses in class and had some extreme racing luck. Even so, it's far from sporting and it's borderline confrontational to other owners and trainers. It's like they're flaunting their success and wealth at everyone. And really it makes me wish bad things would happen to them.

frank passero at gulfstream park 13-13

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

slightly better so then 35-40% is normal, i gotta get a new trainer

Well that's a different conversation, which I mentioned earlier. If anyone wants to say that no way, no how, does a trainer win at 35% without cheating regardless of class/form/stock, that's one thing, and a conversation that seems totally worth entertaining.

But using this isolated 70+% hot streak as evidence of cheating just doesn't work, because it happens at some point every year when he gets like this, and it's going to level off. It's a statistical outlier, albeit one with plenty of logical explanations that are just as, if not more valid than the knee-jerk cry of cheating. That's all I'm saying, and all I've been saying.

[MISTERGEE]

I know youve been saying they are place where they can win and that is true I notice they are not afraid to claim for 10-15000 and run for 5000 but are they also jumping way up in there figs off the claim. thats when you wonder. we all know the guys who claim a horse running a 40-50 beyer then all of a sudden 80s or 90s. has that been happening too in this streak?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I know youve been saying they are place where they can win and that is true I notice they are not afraid to claim for 10-15000 and run for 5000 but are they also jumping way up in there figs off the claim. thats when you wonder. we all know the guys who claim a horse running a 40-50 beyer then all of a sudden 80s or 90s. has that been happening too in this streak?

I'm going to guess no. I don't know how the races have been coming back, but the vast (and I'm talking probably 8 to 10) majority of his 12 wins have come with horses who were much the best on paper, from a class and figs perspective, and who had previous form and figs more than good enough to beat the average field that shows up for that level. Most of them just needed to run to their regular race (ie, no big jump up needed) to be good enough to win. That's why I think it's brash to jump to conclusions based on his percentage early in the meet when there are so many intangibles that are very well factoring into it.

There are so many things to track about this topic, figs the horses run first time for Cat, figs they run first time away from him factoring in any change in class, etc. It will be interesting to see how the next six weeks play out, for sure.

[MISTERGEE]

one other thing that may come in handy no matter who the trainers are, havent some of these horse been coming up straight from races at tampa bay downs and dont these type usually run very well over the course?

[TheSpyder]

And then there's this Simon guy, Chuck Simon who's doing even better. He's hitting at 100%. I think he's the one that started it and must have taught C all his secrets. Taking 20,000 claimers and winning way over their head.

Why just yesterday he had a horse some 15 lengths back with no shot come out of the clouds. Unreal. Someone ought to check that guy out for sure. I think he uses something very few do....damn good horse training!

Spyder

[TheSpyder]

No takers on my comments?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What were you looking for people to say?

He can't count to 17?

[MISTERGEE]

now you have to add the slomkowski-calabrese combo
seems like calabrese, catalano, slomkowski won all the races yesterday

[ELA]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

now you have to add the slomkowski-calabrese combo
seems like calabrese, catalano, slomkowski won all the races yesterday

Well, now we know that there is certainly something going on, LOL. I saw this and thought it would add fuel to the fire.

This has nothing to do with "just reading a condition book" or "just placing horses aggressively" or "just dropping" or "just stepping up horses" -- it has to do with everything. If you are myopic about this, you won't get it.

I have a trainer who often starts off a meet -- within the first 20 starts or so -- at scary #'s, often shooting 50%. Then the #'s level off. It doesn't happen as often as the barn has gotten bigger, as he gears up less for certain meets, etc., but it happens.

In this case, they will most probably end up the meet where they tend to.

Eric

73% winners in 3 weeks. It'll level off thus making it OK. Love that logic.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ELA

Well, now we know that there is certainly something going on, LOL. I saw this and thought it would add fuel to the fire.

This has nothing to do with "just reading a condition book" or "just placing horses aggressively" or "just dropping" or "just stepping up horses" -- it has to do with everything. If you are myopic about this, you won't get it.

I have a trainer who often starts off a meet -- within the first 20 starts or so -- at scary #'s, often shooting 50%. Then the #'s level off. It doesn't happen as often as the barn has gotten bigger, as he gears up less for certain meets, etc., but it happens.

In this case, they will most probably end up the meet where they tend to.

Eric

It's simple..he's the World's greatest trainer..Owners should be flocking..

seriously...it's getting ridiculous..there were a few actually booing yesterday

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's simple..he's the World's greatest trainer..Owners should be flocking..

seriously...it's getting ridiculous..there were a few actually booing yesterday

john frank?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

73% winners in 3 weeks. It'll level off thus making it OK. Love that logic.

I'm preparing my recant post

[ELA]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's simple..he's the World's greatest trainer..Owners should be flocking..

seriously...it's getting ridiculous..there were a few actually booing yesterday

I am sure there were, and will continue to be. So, here's a simple question -- what should be done? Yes, we all know the discussion, but you are not going to throw someone out of the business and deprive them of their livelihood because "you just know" or because "it is not possible" and so on. Throw someone out for proof, evidence and facts.

Eric