Big Brown will not race after this year - Page 2

Danzig · #21 05-15-2008, 07:31 AM

i remember that. so, the announcement is today-anyone think it's a farm other than darley? i found it interesting that darley was mentioned when iavarone was talking about the two week long purchase of big brown.

Linny · #22 05-15-2008, 07:37 AM

Rumor still has it that it's NOT Darley.

Darley buys horses and doesn't allow partners so if IEAH (or even Pompa for that matter, I guess) wish to maintain some level of interest, Darley is not their farm. IEAH has a small (about 12, I'm told) band of mares so I guess that they may want to hold an interest.

Danzig · #23 05-15-2008, 08:08 AM

if not them, then you'd next move to three chimneys, lane's end, or maybe claiborne-since they're the ones who stood boundary. guess we'll know by days' end.

blackthroatedwind · #24 05-15-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Rumor still has it that it's NOT Darley.

Darley buys horses and doesn't allow partners so if IEAH (or even Pompa for that matter, I guess) wish to maintain some level of interest, Darley is not their farm. IEAH has a small (about 12, I'm told) band of mares so I guess that they may want to hold an interest.

It's not Darley. But I'm only allowed to say it on one message board and I already used up my allotment.

KY_Sasquash · #25 05-15-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Rumor still has it that it's NOT Darley.

Darley buys horses and doesn't allow partners so if IEAH (or even Pompa for that matter, I guess) wish to maintain some level of interest, Darley is not their farm. IEAH has a small (about 12, I'm told) band of mares so I guess that they may want to hold an interest.

Darley doesnt own all of Any Given Saturday. While they prefer not to have partners on stallions, they'll make a few exceptions and that depends on who the potential partners are.

XIIPointStables · #26 05-15-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

so has this phrase!

I still like it. It fits well in this racing age of "breeding first, racing second."

fpsoxfan · #27 05-15-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I'll be shocked if he makes it to the Belmont.

Get ready to pay up.

freddymo · #28 05-15-2008, 11:00 AM

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

SentToStud · #29 05-15-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

What makes them swine? They turned $3 million into $30 million in less than a year. Does this make them bad guys? Or do you hate them for Dutrow and/or Greg Martin?

blackthroatedwind · #30 05-15-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I actually hope he goes to Claiborne. I wonder if such a classy operation would deal with such swine. Business is business and keeping Danzig in the breed couldn't be a bad thing.
Three Chimneys hasn't been running to hot lately..I don't see them as a likely home but what the f do I know.

I see you're keeping your hot streak going.

johnny pinwheel · #31 05-15-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv

Where can I wager on BB not racing again after the Belmont?

jeez i love betting 1-9 shots, please!

freddymo · #32 05-15-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

What makes them swine? They turned $3 million into $30 million in less than a year. Does this make them bad guys? Or do you hate them for Dutrow and/or Greg Martin?

Have a heart... Nobody has respect for success more then I but I have no use for cheats.. I have my share of vices cheating isn't one I ever thought was acceptable.

He is a very nice horse that could serve our sport well.. I just wish the silks were Claiborne and he was going home to be managed in a reasonable and responsible way after his limited 4 year old career.

Clearly terms like in the sports best interest and a well managed prudent stud career arent important to the chop house that is IEAH.. I assume whomever has the most dough on the table can get the horse to do whatever they need to do to recoup the investment. Horse people used to respect the industry that they made there money from. Nowadays its only important to earn once you have struck oil.

freddymo · #33 05-15-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I see you're keeping your hot streak going.

I have a lot of time on my hands

CSC · #34 05-15-2008, 01:14 PM

I don't see why breeders would rush out to breed to him considering Curlin will enter stud duty next year. Curlin to me has a much more attractive pedigree who has proven a heck of alot more in my eyes. Aren't these guys rushing the gun ya think?

Danzig · #35 05-15-2008, 01:29 PM

it's not as tho curlin can cover every mare out there. big brown will get his share...
also depends on what you're looking for out of a horse, and what you've got as far as mare, as to who you'd use for a stud.

parsixfarms · #36 05-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Does it strike anyone as odd that today is the day that they are announcing the stud deal? I know that the Wall Street guys want to "sell high," but if you had supreme confidence in the horse and his ability to win the Triple Crown, wouldn't you wait until after the Belmont until you finalized the stud deal? All he can do now is devalue himself (see Majestic Warrior and War Pass).

cakes44 · #37 05-15-2008, 02:34 PM

I know very little about the breeding business,I can't think of too many reasons why someone would send a mare to Big Brown over Hard Spun while both are unknowns.

Linny · #38 05-15-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it strike anyone as odd that today is the day that they are announcing the stud deal? I know that the Wall Street guys want to "sell high," but if you had supreme confidence in the horse and his ability to win the Triple Crown, wouldn't you wait until after the Belmont until you finalized the stud deal? All he can do now is devalue himself (see Majestic Warrior and War Pass).

Maybe they think he wont ever be worth more that he is right now.

GenuineRisk · #39 05-15-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I don't see why breeders would rush out to breed to him considering Curlin will enter stud duty next year. Curlin to me has a much more attractive pedigree who has proven a heck of alot more in my eyes. Aren't these guys rushing the gun ya think?

I'm the first to say I don't know much about the breeding business, but it seems like a lot of it depends on irrational exuberance for the hot new thing- if they run Big Brown at 4, and he doesn't do well, they won't be able to charge as high a stud fee as if they retire him this year, while he's still the most recent KDerby winner. Add to that, most stallions fail at stud, so it's important they make as much money as they can as soon as they can, so if he's a stud dud they'll still have made their $$.

Like someone said, it's a breeding business, with a few races tossed in on the side.

parsixfarms · #40 05-15-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Maybe they think he wont ever be worth more that he is right now.

That's my point. If that's what they're thinking, what does it say about their perspective on his chances in the Preakness and/or Belmont?