Big Brown, Big Red and IEAH

[ELA]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I think we're all aware that if he wins the Belmont he wins the TC. the question here on this thread wasn't about criticism of his owners, it is simply do you feel that comparisons to Secretariat are in order at this point given the mediocre competition he's faced?

jim

No offense, but I think it's a foolish discussion. The only common element is that they would both be TC winners. If he retires -- no. If he goes on, we'll see. Today? No, I don't think the comparison is anywhere in order.

Just watch what happens if he goes undefeated and wins the BC Classic. Regardless, I don't think Curlin will go, certainly not in an effort to duck Big Brown. If I was the owner of Big Brown, I'd want no part of Curlin right now. Again, regardless, the comparisons to Secretariat, if they one day become remotely valid -- will never be unbiased or unfettered. But as of today, to me it's a non-starter.

Eric

[Grassy Knoll 518]

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Rabble Rabble Caps Lock Rabble

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

And I'm sure Secretariat never had anything but hay, oats, and water.

[sumitas]

BB needs to be tested and have samples preserved so that they can be tested again in the future.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure what number is bigger.....the number of horses Gary Stevens rode or the number of best horses he ever rode.

I'm glad this thread took a turn in discussion about Gary Stevens. BIG ROWN mentioned with BIG RED? Only in a crayola box.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Oh Boy. We lose one and pick up another. It must be Happy Time in the local asylym.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Dutrow already said running a race like the Haskell would be pointless as it would do nothing for his value. He said if the horse is sound and the owners want to run him after the Belmont he would just run the Travers and BC Classic.

Since they were going to put him on turf, they might figure he'll like poly, but I just don't see why they'd bother with the BCC as I don't think it'll increase his value any.

It'd be nice if they did run him after the Belmont, even for just two races, but I just doubt it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't think Eric ( ELA ) is getting the credit he deserves for quoting one of the great Rock 'n Roll songs of all time. I, for one, was proud.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Since they were going to put him on turf, they might figure he'll like poly, but I just don't see why they'd bother with the BCC as I don't think it'll increase his value any.

It'd be nice if they did run him after the Belmont, even for just two races, but I just doubt it.

It's still worth $4 million to the winner and even if he loses it shouldn't hurt his value as they can blame the junk track. All they'd lose is the ability to call him an undefeated Triple Crown winner.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I'm glad this thread took a turn in discussion about Gary Stevens. BIG ROWN mentioned with BIG RED? Only in a crayola box.

Don't forget Gary Stevens does work for IEAH so his opinion is not unbiased.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It's still worth $4 million to the winner and even if he loses it shouldn't hurt his value as they can blame the junk track. All they'd lose is the ability to call him an undefeated Triple Crown winner.

That's a point, but I figure they'd weigh the injury possibility vs. $4 million and play it safe. I'd be happy to be wrong, though.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think you need to be tested. Seriously. Between never being right, the constant posting while intoxicated and the whole loving the animals in the creepiest way ever.

I think he was talking about taking semen samples from Big Brown. And in an indirect way he was volunteering his services.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ELA

No offense, but I think it's a foolish discussion.

Eric

why would I be offended, I wasn't the one who started the thread.

[Cannon Shell]

I'm not sure why they would be concerned with the horses 'value' since the breeding rights have already been sold. If he wins the TC his stud fee wont go up or down no matter what he wins or loses. I cant believe that they can get more than $100k and if he were to win the TC and if he were to get beat in the Travers I cant believe they wouldnt still get the same 100k.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Grassy Knoll 518

Wake Up And Smell The Horse **** Please. Big Brown Performances Have Been Great But They Were Done Artificially Thru Steroids & Illegal Tactics. Just Look At The Group Surrounding Him Their A Bunch Cheats Who Will Do Anything To Make A Dollar. Just Like In Other Sports Cheaters Are Allways Ahead Of the Testing and Rules (Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, BALCO LABS). IEAH and DUTROW R No Different Their Using Somethin On Their Horses That Is Undetectable By Current Testing. So To Compare This Artificial Horse and Shady Group Of Criminals To A HORSE RACING ICON Is Ridiculuos. Its Guys Like DUTROW and IEAH Who R Killing The BREED In NORTH AMERICA With What They Give Thier Horses Whether Legal Or Illegal. Big Brown No Matter What He Accomplishes Should Never Be Mentioned With Secretariat Because Of The People Hes Connected With Their Flat Out Cheats Period. Lets Go Casino Drive...........

Please go away...

[ateamstupid]

It's threads like this that create such polarization between Big Brown fans and detractors, because detractors can now point to this ****** and say "He's good, but he's not Secretariat", as if every fan of the horse has made that comparison.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's threads like this that create such polarization between Big Brown fans and detractors, because detractors can now point to this ****** and say "He's good, but he's not Secretariat", as if every fan of the horse has made that comparison.

Big Brown sucks. He only got a 78 CSSF (Cannon Shell Speed Figure). He got a raw CSSF of 106 but got a 28 point reduction for possum head running second.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Big Brown sucks. He only got a 78 CSSF (Cannon Shell Speed Figure). He got a raw CSSF of 106 but got a 28 point reduction for possum head running second.

that does make ya wonder

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

that does make ya wonder

-28 for PHF in routes on dirt
-18 for PHF in dirt sprints

I told him about this but he didnt think it was funny...