Griff's 600

[GPK]

surprised no mention of this as of yet.

Congrats to him.

He's not on the injured list? Wow.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by GPK

surprised no mention of this as of yet.

Congrats to him.

Bonds, Ruth, Aaron, Mays, ....um..Sosa, Griffey

[The Bid]

Had he been able to stay healthy probably the best player of all time.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Had he been able to stay healthy probably the best player of all time.

The Al Bundy Syndrome.

[Scav]

I was thinking about this last night. Ken Griffey, to me, was my Mickey Mantle. Griffey came into the league when I was 8 years old I think (1989 right) and was just amazing. He was my favorite player growing up, the one that I tried to be (Then I got a stomach and was put behind the plate, best move ever actually but that is another story).

I have actually had the pleasure to meet both Mickey Mantle and Ken Griffey Jr. My high school baseball team use to take a trip to Arizona EVERY spring break to practice out there becuase the winter/spring was just too bad here, this gave us a distinct advantage over other teams because while we weren't able to play against other teams there, we were able to play against other teams. We went to Ho-Ho Kam Park to see the Mariners vs Cubs play a spring training game. Now, I was just wandering around and I see a huge amount of people going nuts and there I see Griffey Jr signing things. Now, I wasn't a kid, nor was I an adult so I had to do something wild to get him to sign the ball that I caught in batting practice. My huge hawaiian friend goes "Get on my shoulders" and I am like "You are nuts" and he is like "here is my camera, get a good picture"

I have a ball in my hand with the camera, and griffey Jr looks at me and goes "Throw me the ball", signs it, and flips it back to me.....Pretty f'n awesome and great to see him reach this achievement, he easily could have hung it up after all the hamstring and calf problems.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Had he been able to stay healthy probably the best player of all time.

In the convo regardless. It's too bad his numbers won't be able to be what they could have been but I think people know what he has been.

[otisotisotis]

i'll be glad when he hits 610 to surpass sosa. he's gotten a bad rap in cincy, some people act like he would get hurt on purpose. but this guy has gone through a lot these last few year, and it's nothing short of a miracle that he's still playing.
it's scary to think what his numbers could have been, all while playing clean...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

i'll be glad when he hits 610 to surpass sosa. he's gotten a bad rap in cincy, some people act like he would get hurt on purpose. but this guy has gone through a lot these last few year, and it's nothing short of a miracle that he's still playing.
it's scary to think what his numbers could have been, all while playing clean...

How can anyone possibly know that? This guy was a sick power hitter that broke down due to injuries. Completely fits the profile of a steroid user. I'm not saying he used them but for everyone to suggest he did it clean while not giving the benefit of the doubt to others makes no sense to me.

I'm sure next you are going to tell me that Derek Jeter never dabbled in steroids in 1999 when his slugging percentage jumped 70 points higher than at any other point in his career.

It is amazing how if you give a good interview to the media they give you a free pass and then the fans eat up everything the media feeds them.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How can anyone possibly know that? This guy was a sick power hitter that broke down due to injuries. Completely fits the profile of a steroid user. I'm not saying he used them but for everyone to suggest he did it clean while not giving the benefit of the doubt to others makes no sense to me.

I'm sure next you are going to tell me that Derek Jeter never dabbled in steroids in 1999 when his slugging percentage jumped 70 points higher than at any other point in his career.

It is amazing how if you give a good interview to the media they give you a free pass and then the fans eat up everything the media feeds them.

Dude, Griffey was not a user, he was hitting bombs when he was 20 years old

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, Griffey was not a user, he was hitting bombs when he was 20 years old

Bonds was hitting bombs long before he ever touched a steroid. Plenty of players are still hitting bombs today that were using steroids several years ago. There's a remarkable increase in power in his fifth season after three straight years where he was extremely consistent. Could that have been a breakout year? Sure. Is it a little suspicious that after those consistent years his power numbers exploded at the same time as Barry Bonds, Juan Gonzalez, and Matt Williams did? I think so. Listen, I hope Griffey was clean and he probably was but I think it is ridiculous he is given a free pass when all the warning signs that get everyone else accused are there.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Bonds was hitting bombs long before he ever touched a steroid. Plenty of players are still hitting bombs today that were using steroids several years ago. There's a remarkable increase in power in his fifth season after three straight years where he was extremely consistent. Could that have been a breakout year? Sure. Is it a little suspicious that after those consistent years his power numbers exploded at the same time as Barry Bonds, Juan Gonzalez, and Matt Williams did? I think so. Listen, I hope Griffey was clean and he probably was but I think it is ridiculous he is given a free pass when all the warning signs that get everyone else accused are there.

Wasn't the other major warning sign that Sosa, Ivan Rodriguez, McGuire, Clemens etc were also all bulking up and then shrinking? Admittedly I have not spent much time, nor plan to, studying the girth of Griffey's ass, but as a casual observer, it didn't seem like he blew up that much?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Wasn't the other major warning sign that Sosa, Ivan Rodriguez, McGuire, Clemens etc were also all bulking up and then shrinking? Admittedly I have not spent much time, nor plan to, studying the girth of Griffey's ass, but as a casual observer, it didn't seem like he blew up that much?

He was 185 as a rookie, 205 in 1992, and is 230 now.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He was 185 as a rookie, 205 in 1992, and is 230 now.

So was I..lol

but I get your point

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He was 185 as a rookie, 205 in 1992, and is 230 now.

You show me one person that kept his weight from the age of 19 to the age of 24, let alone 37 years old

[The Bid]

How old was Griffey when he was a Rookie?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

You show me one person that kept his weight from the age of 19 to the age of 24, let alone 37 years old

After you show me one person that stays in peak physical condition from 19 to 37 and puts on 50 pounds naturally. I'm willing to buy the jump to 205 as natural, it is that extra 25 pounds of muscle that is a little suspicious. Either way I'm not saying he necessarily did anything. All I'm saying is all the warning signs that get everyone else accused are there and somehow he gets a free pass.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Bid

How old was Griffey when he was a Rookie?

19

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

After you show me one person that stays in peak physical condition from 19 to 37 and puts on 50 pounds naturally. I'm willing to buy the jump to 205 as natural, it is that extra 25 pounds of muscle that is a little suspicious. Either way I'm not saying he necessarily did anything. All I'm saying is all the warning signs that get everyone else accused are there and somehow he gets a free pass.

Dude, it is there JOB to be in peak condition, all these guys do is WORK OUT. If my job was to hit a baseball, and nothing else, I would be working out all the time also.

You work out for 18 years, you are giong to add muscle

[Scav]

Also, just a note, isn't like his muscle mass is in his chest area, his muscle additions are within his core, or his legs/abs

You want an example of a kid just growing into his body. Look at Carlos Zambrano. He was a fat kid that threw heat and then got put on a conditioning program and he is a huge now, but with muscle