W/E Beyers - REVISED Curlin 110

Kasept · #1 06-16-2008, 06:40 AM

STEPHEN FOSTER H.(G1)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$750,000

1 - CURLIN .40-1 BEYER: 110
Previous three Beyers: 119-114-105
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Robby Albarado (578-122 .21)
2 - Einstein-BRZ 6.00-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 105-103-102
T: Helen Pitts (101-19 .18) J: Julien R. Leparoux (505-80 .15)
3 - Barcola 20.20-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 105-97-93
T: Mark A. Hennig (205-28 .13) J: Jesus Lopez Castanon (391-43 .10)

ALSO RAN: Grasshopper(97), Brass Hat(95), Jonesboro(94), Delightful Kiss(90), Sam P.(89), High Blues(88), Red Rock Creek(88).

THE OBEAH.(G3)

Jun 14, Delaware Park, 1 1/8 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - UNBRIDLED BELLE .70-1 BEYER: 104
Previous three Beyers: 93-104-94
T: Todd A. Pletcher (480-103 .21) J: Ramon A. Dominguez (600-163 .27)
2 - Copper State 13.70-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 79-79-89
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Channing Hill (578-76 .13)
3 - Lemon Drop Mom 3.00-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 93-86-80
T: Timothy F. Ritchey (159-25 .15) J: Jose C. Caraballo (163-21 .12)

ALSO RAN: All Smiles(83), Lexi Star(81), Julie B(80), Best Vow(30).

OGDEN PHIPPS H.(G1)

Jun 14, Belmont Park, 1 1/16 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$300,000

1 - GINGER PUNCH .50-1 BEYER: 103
Previous three Beyers: 94-90-104
T: Robert J. Frankel (245-46 .18) J: Rafael Bejarano (511-111 .21)
2 - Golden Velvet 3.10-1 BEYER: 89
Previous three Beyers: 105-97-91
T: Kiaran P. McLaughlin (291-70 .24) J: Eibar Coa (733-138 .18)
3 - Mistical Plan 24.75-1 BEYER: 88
Previous three Beyers: 80-86-83
T: Doug F. O'Neill (396-52 .13) J: Cornelio H. Velasquez (681-91 .13)

ALSO RAN: Cowgirls Don't Cry(83), Moon Catcher(77), Spectacular Malibu(71).

NORTHERN DANCER S.(G3)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/16 Miles, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$175,000

1 - PYRO 1.80-1 BEYER: 98
Previous three Beyers: 87-73-95
T: Steven M. Asmussen (1320-305 .23) J: Shaun Bridgmohan (511-100 .19)
2 - My Pal Charlie 11.00-1 BEYER: 95
Previous three Beyers: 91-90-90
T: Albert M. Stall, Jr. (153-21 .13) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)
3 - Visionaire 4.60-1 BEYER: 91
Previous three Beyers: 75-82-98
T: Michael R. Matz (153-21 .13) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)

ALSO RAN: Recapturetheglory(89), Texas Wildcatter(79), Unbridled Vicar(63).

JEFFERSON CUP S.(G2)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, Turf, 3-Year-Olds
Purse:$200,000

1 - TIZDEJAVU 3.00-1 BEYER: 96
Previous three Beyers: 94-85-77
T: Gregory Fox (49-9 .18) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)
2 - Golden Yank 8.10-1 BEYER: 87
Previous three Beyers: 86-86-86
T: Gary A. Thomas (39-1 .02) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)
3 - Old Man Buck 2.20-1 BEYER: 86
Previous three Beyers: 86-79-82
T: Kenneth G. McPeek (190-51 .26) J: Robby Albarado (578-122 .21)

ALSO RAN: Halo Najib(81), Wicked Style(81), Budge Man(77), Go West Bert(75), Bobby Blue Eyes(61).

FLEUR DE LIS H.(G2)

Jun 14, Churchill Downs, 1 1/8 Miles, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$300,000

1 - HYSTERICALADY .50-1 BEYER: 94
Previous three Beyers: 99-95-81
T: Jerry Hollendorfer (560-131 .23) J: Garrett K. Gomez (511-99 .19)
2 - Initforthekandy 15.20-1 BEYER: 82
Previous three Beyers: 82-85-72
T: Jeff Talley (54-11 .20) J: John McKee (423-65 .15)
3 - Kathleens Reel 10.30-1 BEYER: 79
Previous three Beyers: 95-86-77
T: Ray Sibille (39-2 .05) J: Jamie Theriot (653-103 .15)

ALSO RAN: Aspiring(77), Peach Flambe(69).

EATONTOWN H.(G3)

Jun 14, Monmouth Park, 1 1/16 Miles, Turf, Fillies and Mares, 3-Year-Olds and Up
Purse:$150,000

1 - SOCIAL QUEEN 3.00-1 BEYER: 92
Previous three Beyers: 91-71-86
T: Alan E. Goldberg (86-16 .18) J: Jose Lezcano (571-97 .16)
2 - Chestoria 4.90-1 BEYER: 91
Previous three Beyers: 87-84-85
T: William Badgett, Jr. (55-7 .12) J: Daniel Centeno (640-142 .22)
3 - Miracle Moment 12.00-1 BEYER: 86
Previous three Beyers: 26-87-61
T: Barclay Tagg (213-34 .15) J: Pablo Fragoso (242-23 .09)

ALSO RAN: Czarina's Girl(83), Maddy's Heart(82), Medley-GB(79), Montecito-GB(73), Beatrix Kiddo-FR(72).

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*Stephen Foster (CD): Curlin (S. Asmussen/R. Albarado) - 110
*Postponed (Bel): Mint Lane (J. Jerkens/E. Coa) - 106
*Ponche (Crc): Rockerfeller (M. Wolfson/J. Santiago) - 106
*Obeah (Del): Unbridled Belle (T. Pletcher/R. Dominguez) - 104
*Ogden Phipps (Bel): Ginger Punch (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 103
*Unbridled (Crc): Golden Spikes (M. Wolfson/E. Trujillo) - 103
*King Glorious (Hol): High Standards (M. Jones/J. Rosario) - 103
*Battlefield (Mth): Call My Bluff (D. Ryan/P. Cotto Jr.) - 100
*Round Table (Hol): Cedar Mountain - Ire (N. Drysdale/A. Quinonez) - 100
*Scottish Monk (Bel): Tam Lin - GB (S. bin Suroor/J. Castellano) - 100

*Fleur de Lis (CD): Hystericalady (J. Hollendorfer/G. Gomez) - 99
*Affirmed (Hol): Two Step Salsa (J. Canani/V. Espinoza) - 99
*Northern Dancer (CD): Pyro (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) - 98
*Jaipur (Bel): First Defence (R. Frankel/J. Castellano) - 97
*Carter McGregor Jr. Memorial (LS): Gold Coyote (W. Calhoun/B. Walker Jr.) - 96
*Papua (Bel): Stormin Normandy (R. Dutrow Jr./C. Velasquez) - 96
*Jefferson Cup (CD): Tizdejavu (G. Fox/G. Gomez) - 96
*Alphabet Soup (Pha): Auction Watch (S. Hendriks/K. Carmouche) - 95
*Spend a Buck (Mth): Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/E. Castro) - 95
*U Can Do It (Crc): Dixie Dreamer (M. Wolfson/J. Bridgmohan) - 94
*Mint Julep (CD): Dreaming of Anna (W. Catalano/G. Gomez) - 94
*Susan's Girl (Del): Weathered (K. Grusmark/A. Napravnik) - 94
*Oakland (GG): Bonfante (R. McAnally/F. Alvarado) - 93
*Great Lady M. (Hol): Silky Smooth (J. Mullins/R. Bejarano) - 93
*Floor Show (Del): Magical Forest (J. DeMola/R. Dominguez) - 92
*Free Press (AsD): Ronaldino (T. Jordan/A. Cuthbertson) - 92
*Eatontown (Mth): Social Queen (A. Goldberg/J. Lezcano) - 92
*Big Bubble (Crc): Mysterious Peintre - Fr (M. Wolfson/E. Trujillo) - 91
*Budweiser Emerald (EmD): Nationhood (M. Chambers/S. Martinez) - 91
*President's Cup (Lnn): Out Gamble (C. Washburn/Y. Yaranga) - 91
*Bernie Dowd (Mth): Luna Park (J. Tammaro III/C. Marquez Jr.) - 90
*Regret (CD): Pure Clan (R. Holthus/J. Leparoux) - 90
*Herald Gold Plate (StP): Teagues Fight (D. MacDonald/S. Heiler) - 90

*Sydney Gendelman Memorial (RD): Acts Like a King (K. Nemann/N. Solomon) - 89
*Georgia Oaks (Crc): Alpha Charmer (P. Gleaves/M. Cruz) - 89
*Acclaim (EvD): Ide Like a Double (B. Gilbert/K. Clark) - 89
*Ballade (WO): London Snow (J. Charalambous/S. Bahen) - 89
*Zadracarta (WO): Becky Sharp (A. Smith/R. Landry) - 88
*Jostle (Pha): Dulce Realidad (R. Vega/J. Flores) - 88
*Cyclones (PrM): Red Hot N Gold (K. Von Hemel/T. Thompson) - 87
*Minnesota H.P.B.A Mile (Cby): Lemonlime (A. Granitz/W. Martinez) - 86
*Bold Ruckus (WO): Stuck in Traffic (N. Gonzalez/D. Clark) - 86
*John D. Marsh (Cnl): Frisky Thunder (J. Murphy/E. Camacho) - 85
*Strawberry Morn (Hst): Lady Raj (T. Taylor/M. Gutierrez) - 84
*Alberta Derby (StP): Arkhill (C. MacPherson/R. Walcott) - 82
*Leave Me Alone (Crc): Orinoquia (R. Garcia/E. Nunez) - 80
*Victoria (WO): Southern Exchange (G. De Gannes/J. Jones) - 80

hockey2315 · #2 06-16-2008, 08:56 AM

The Churchill beyers seem off to me. . .

SilverRP · #3 06-16-2008, 09:07 AM

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

jcs11204 · #4 06-16-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

it is not enough.... especially with pyro being a 101

miraja2 · #5 06-16-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

it is not enough.... especially with pyro being a 101

Will you please explain to all of us how you think BSFs are generated, and also how you come up with your figures?
We need more post-of-the-year contenders, and I have confidence in you.

#6 06-16-2008, 09:42 AM

Please don't.

hockey2315 · #7 06-16-2008, 09:50 AM

The Curlin beyer seems about right - I'm not sure I buy the Pyro one because My Pal Charlie can't run a 98.

kgar311 · #8 06-16-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Oh no, I have a feeling that 105 Beyer is not enough for some people. Let the bashing begin.

Robby should of continuously whipped and drove the horse to the wire to achieve a higher speed figure. Winning handily just isnt enough now a days. According to the figures Curlin and Unbridled Belle would be a hell of a race. Bwahhh

blackthroatedwind · #9 06-16-2008, 10:01 AM

OK, deep breaths everyone, instead of the usual reacting without thinking, why don't you think about why Curlin got a seemingly low number ( considering his obvious talents ). Any chance the dawdling pace played a role in this?

miraja2 · #10 06-16-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Any chance the dawdling pace played a role in this?

Nope.
Pace schmace.
It is easier to simply ignore things like pace - and final times - altogether. Then you are free to assign various numbers to horses based only on how much you "liked" the horse going into the race.

Kasept · #11 06-16-2008, 10:06 AM

CD DIRT ROUTES SATURDAY:

Race 2 (f-AlwN2X, 3+, 1m) 23.27 46.40 1:10.94 1:23.09 1:35.78

Race 4 (AlwN2X, 3+, 1 1/16) 25.65 49.72 1:13.70 1:37.80 1:43.98

Race 6 (f-FlrDLisHG2 3+, 1 1/8) 24.78 49.69 1:13.67 1:37.91 1:50.88

Race 8 (NrtDncG3, 3yo, 1 1/16) 24.88 48.83 1:13.08 1:37.23 1:43.53

FOSTER FRACTIONS: 25.01 49.28 1:13.41 1:37.39 1:49.68

jcs11204 · #12 06-16-2008, 10:07 AM

what was mambo in seattles beyer ? he is a serious 3 yr old.

jcs11204 · #13 06-16-2008, 10:20 AM

he is.... last race before sat. the horse he beat came back to cruise last week at churchill, the group of OLDER horses he beat saturday was not that bad.

jcs11204 · #14 06-16-2008, 10:21 AM

and if he pyro is 101, mambo has to be around 103, right ?

SilverRP · #15 06-16-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Robby should of continuously whipped and drove the horse to the wire to achieve a higher speed figure. Winning handily just isnt enough now a days. According to the figures Curlin and Unbridled Belle would be a hell of a race. Bwahhh

Got that right... Anyway, since the #1 4 year old got a weak 105 beyer, I guess that means this 4 year old crop is all a bunch of turds.... right?? isn't this the best way to look at it? I mean, that's how we are supposed to rate horses nowadays.... Curlin with a 105?? what a joke

VOL JACK · #16 06-16-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

and if he pyro is 101, mambo has to be around 103, right ?

96 beyer

Kasept · #17 06-16-2008, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204

and if he pyro is 101, mambo has to be around 103, right ?

He got a 96.

And FYI to Chuck.. Bubble Berry got a 69...

jcs11204 · #18 06-16-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

96 beyer

could someone explain how mambo is a 96, and pyro is 101
i want to learn

#19 06-16-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP

Got that right... Anyway, since the #1 4 year old got a weak 105 beyer, I guess that means this 4 year old crop is all a bunch of turds.... right?? isn't this the best way to look at it? I mean, that's how we are supposed to rate horses nowadays.... Curlin with a 105?? what a joke

Outside of him the older division on dirt is a bunch of festering turds.

jcs11204 · #20 06-16-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

He got a 96.

And FYI to Chuck.. Bubble Berry got a 69...

nm i understand the 96 i was misreading it, i thought his race was 142 and change, now i see the times