Harvey Pack should know

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I laughed.

I agreed.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know exactly what you are referring to concerning Harvey. However, I think you are sort of ignoring the big picture. He makes fun of everyone....including himself. He calls all of us, basically, idiots ( including me ). It's his schtick.

And, once again, he had absolutely nothing to do with Jake being on yesterday. I'm sorry if you felt it was a " bad call " having him on but as you know, you can't please everyone all the time and, even though I disagree with you on this particular issue, none of us are immune from making possibly bad decisions on guests we bring on shows. We simply are trying to do the best we can. I know I am.

Thanks Andy. I appreciate your comments. If I see you on track we'll have a lemonade on me.

[pointman]

I saw the show and it was hardly exploiting a child. In fact, I was quite impressed with the knowledge that the 12 year old had. He didn't just throw out numbers, he gave reasons behind his picks and I personally found it entertaining. I would look to take the PC police somewhere else personally. Andy, a very nice job yesterday.

[Lovely Laurel]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know exactly what you are referring to concerning Harvey. However, I think you are sort of ignoring the big picture. He makes fun of everyone....including himself. He calls all of us, basically, idiots ( including me ). It's his schtick.

And, once again, he had absolutely nothing to do with Jake being on yesterday. I'm sorry if you felt it was a " bad call " having him on but as you know, you can't please everyone all the time and, even though I disagree with you on this particular issue, none of us are immune from making possibly bad decisions on guests we bring on shows. We simply are trying to do the best we can. I know I am.

You just earned my respect with that response. I'm sure you're relieved by that. I understand how most see it as not a big deal to have the kid on the show. It is not typical for most 10 year olds to tout horses and hustle poker games.

Another good example the Romans can set for their kids is to lower their carb intake. If they do, then they can enter their golden years and watch young Jakey blossom into an all out degenerate.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Methinks Stall Mucker is upset that Jake Romans was on air and she can't seem to get a job on air, although I can't imagine being jealous of a little kid. Just a thought.

Just to make sure your thought doesn't go to far astray.....She is a He and He is responsible for the air.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please. They for the most part are lucky they even have a job.

I do find it amusing that you choose to go after Harvey Pack, a guy who some of us grew up watching on TV and is responsible for many getting involved in this game. I think if you took a poll and asked what people would rather watch, the Siro's Seminar's or the horrendous Capital OTB shows the results would be a landslide.

That show A.M. Saratoga(NY OTB Show) which is now on HRTV is beyond embarassing. Technically it is a disaster. Their mikes are never on right and every show someone has to come out and help get it right. Sean Clancy speaks and it is beyond loud....then the guest speaks and you cant hear a thing. Joanne Jones ....well...is Joanne Jones.....I'll leave it at that. Rick Lang is ok.

Now...as far as those ...umm...handicappers...please.....Anthony Mormino comes on their looking like John Gotti. The horses he picks must think they are gonna get whacked if they dont win. His opinions are horrendous. Then their is some guy on the phone who gives out horses who seems like a dart thrower.

The only part of the show which is worth watching is with Clancy and Migliore talking with a jock/former jock. But usually their are microphone problems. The whole show looks like it's produced by a bunch of amateurs. For anyone who didnt see their interview with Jerry Bailey, try and see it. Clancy had an unbelievable embarassing on air moment.


Harvey Pack is a legend and anyone who has followed NYRA over the years has to like the guy. His shows back in the 80's when I started following the game were the best. One of the reasons I began following the game.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

andy can you get indian charlie.. i want to see parasella go after him "live" after his comments .

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Paseka was a much more questionable guest

I was gonna go there but you beat me to it. My only complaint with Jake Romans being on is he had to be exposed to Paseka. That can do much more harm to a young mind then actually being on a handicapping show.

[blackthroatedwind]

Kurt stays at the Romans house here and in KY. The first time I met Jake was three years ago when he was with Kurt.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Kurt stays at the Romans house here and in KY. The first time I met Jake was three years ago when he was with Kurt.

The poor kid is doomed.

[Linny]

Stall Mucker's premise is correct. I wouldn't go so far as to say the kid was exploited as Jake surely knows his stuff and seemed to be having a good time.

The issue is that this is a show aired on the OTB TV network and unlike the track, OTB is not about "family fun" or bringing the kids out for a day, it's about betting and it is in fact illegal to bring a child into an OTB facility in NY. (I have an 8yo son and don't get me started, I can't take him into an OTB to cash a ticket but I can take him to a place peddling lottery and or quick draw.)

Far be it from me to preach about children gambling as I have played poker with teenagers regularly for years and have sometimes funded the kids for friendly games. I've shown the same kids how to read the PP's and taken them to the track.
That said, I see SM's point. OTB's around NY are under a great deal of scrutiny from regulators in the state and from outside anti-gambling forces. No matter how skilled he is, placing a 10 (?) year old kid on a handicapping panel to select horses for a show going over the TV airwaves (cable, literally) on a network run by an OTB corporation may have been less than ideal judgement. Had the Siro's show been simply an "in-house" deal for those in attendance, it would be less of a big deal.

As for the morning shows on TV-12, no employee or representative of Capital OTB has anything to do with the production of the AM Saratoga show. There have been some problems with the new microphones but some folks have overcome the problems. The NYC show is produced by an entirely different crew from the Capital shows (Newsdesk, HNC, Call to the Post, Down the Stretch and Trackfacts) but all use the same equipment.

As to "personalities," there is no use in arguing. You are not likely to like everyone any network puts on the air. As BTW will attest, you cannot please everyone and there is no point in trying. I will say this, Anthony does shoot for the fences but he backs it up and bets his longshots. The "dart thrower" on the phone is Dick Powell, who is hitting at a very high ROI this meet and have given out several big priced horses. Ignore him at your own risk. In fact, if I were producing the show, I'd give Dick far MORE time on air to explain his selections.

[Gander]

Anthony Mormino is freaking awesome at handicapping. And hes first rate in front of the camera too. He comes up with more big priced winners than anyone I have ever seen and he shares them before the races, not afraid people will crush his prices.
I enjoy his show all year long and I am thrilled to see it still airs during the Toga meet. I never miss it.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is a much better poker player than handicapper, btw

I would be surprised if the kid had 4 nickels to rub together by the time he was 30

[TheSpyder]

Andy,

It was a great show and no reason to backtrack on the idea. The kid is already a horsey star from First Saturday In May. It not like this exposed him to anything he's not already seen. In fact, he's seen most likely a lot more than we have. Since he wants to be in racing and not a jockey or trainer, he looks the part to be little Jake unseating little Andy in 10 years..better watch out!

As for the other guy I think you commented he was one of your worst guests, or something like that on the air. Good handicapping. Jakes impression of him was priceless!

Again, great show and nice change up from the usual guests.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

I would be surprised if the kid had 4 nickels to rub together by the time he was 30

he may be the next Justin evans...

[eajinabi]

If your not the kids mother or father then what buisness is it of yours to say its wrong for the kid to pick horses. Raise you own children.

[Revidere]

Can't get too cranked up about Jake being on the show. It's not only his father's way of life, but his mother's as well. It's ENTERTAINMENT!!!

My 11 year old daughter has her own DRF account and is always downloading PP's and stealing my Blood Horse. She was all over Unwritten in the 2nd at Monmouth and gave it out to everyone in the box. She also had the 6th exacta cold. Her ROI was more than mine on the day. When her teacher wanted to know why she was carrying the Racing Form, she told her it was helping her with fractions. She gets up with me at 4:30 to visit the stable and asks the trainer some real intellignet questions.

University of Arizona it is!!!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Can't get too cranked up about Jake being on the show. It's not only his father's way of life, but his mother's as well. It's ENTERTAINMENT!!!

My 11 year old daughter has her own DRF account and is always downloading PP's and stealing my Blood Horse. She was all over Unwritten in the 2nd at Monmouth and gave it out to everyone in the box. She also had the 6th exacta cold. Her ROI was more than mine on the day. When her teacher wanted to know why she was carrying the Racing Form, she told her it was helping her with fractions. She gets up with me at 4:30 to visit the stable and asks the trainer some real intellignet questions.

University of Arizona it is!!!

That is classic...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Stall Mucker

Simple, common sense professionalism.
No desperation Throat. No stirring. I like Harvey. I think he's a real character. Sometimes he throws shots at others that don't come across as funny as he's trying to be.
As far as the young lad, I just don't think it was a good call.

yeah, cause we suddenly started trying to 'cap when we turned 18, right? never tried to find a winner before the legal age, right?
but then, i'm a degenerate as i caught my 16 yr old putting vouchers thru a machine at AP, and just told him not to get thrown out..i should be in jail for contributing to the delinquency...

oh, and i'm sure there's a playboy laying around exposed somewhere in this house. i may just be the anti-christ.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, cause we suddenly started trying to 'cap when we turned 18, right? never tried to find a winner before the legal age, right?
but then, i'm a degenerate as i caught my 16 yr old putting vouchers thru a machine at AP, and just told him not to get thrown out..i should be in jail for contributing to the delinquency...

oh, and i'm sure there's a playboy laying around exposed somewhere in this house. i may just be the anti-christ.

I guess no one here understands the regulatory differences placed on OTBs vs. race tracks.
I take my grandkids to the track and yes the oldest is interested in 'capping and other aspects of the game. But, I can't take him to an OTB in NY or the Racino but I can take him to the harness track.
I have no problem with a kid genious in the horse game but, he was on OTB TV. Like I said their are very real differences.