mccain's vp

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Economic justice is a fancy way of saying that the rich make too much and should be taxed to pay for the less fortunate. Socialism basically. It is always laughable when a Democrat talks about health care when they are so beholden to the trial lawyers who create far more damage to the country and the common person than any oil company does. Malpractice suits and excessive damage awards do as much damage to our health care system as anything. That is not saying that the other side has done much better either but certainly the Dems have little incentive to change the system.

http://www.osjspm.org/major_themes.aspx

SEE #2-#6 Don't attack just Democrats. They didn't dream it up. The Catholic Church teaches it, and they teach it because Christ taught it. Get mad at him. As far as the Malpractice suits go, I'd be thrilled to have Lawyers and Insurance companies kept far away from our healthcare dollars. As far as the oil companies go, if you don't mind giving them forty cents a gallon in profit, then what can I say? It's not a free market situation. That's all I'll say.

[dalakhani]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...jzf6QD932MU100

Fact Check: Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
7 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new ad from John McCain's presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

THE SPIN: Called "Original Mavericks," the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. "Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere," he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush's economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means "anything but change."

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

"I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere," she said in her convention speech last week.

That's not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge "should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done."

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska "when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative" — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design "grandiose" during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin's reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress" is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

well said

ditto

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.osjspm.org/major_themes.aspx

SEE #2-#6 Don't attack just Democrats. They didn't dream it up. The Catholic Church teaches it, and they teach it because Christ taught it. Get mad at him. As far as the Malpractice suits go, I'd be thrilled to have Lawyers and Insurance companies kept far away from our healthcare dollars. As far as the oil companies go, if you don't mind giving them forty cents a gallon in profit, then what can I say? It's not a free market situation. That's all I'll say.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.osjspm.org/major_themes.aspx

SEE #2-#6 Don't attack just Democrats. They didn't dream it up. The Catholic Church teaches it, and they teach it because Christ taught it. Get mad at him. As far as the Malpractice suits go, I'd be thrilled to have Lawyers and Insurance companies kept far away from our healthcare dollars. As far as the oil companies go, if you don't mind giving them forty cents a gallon in profit, then what can I say? It's not a free market situation. That's all I'll say.

Uh Oh.

Scuds is a what would Jesus say guy...?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Uh Oh.

Scuds is a what would Jesus say guy...?

My problem with Christianity is not with what Jesus said. My point was that Canon is trying to make Economic Justice out to be a Democratic scheme. Christ started that. He should blame it on him. That guy started it.

[Riot]

The most important thing about this election is that the winner will get to appoint at least two Supreme Court justices.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The most important thing about this election is that the winner will get to appoint at least two Supreme Court justices.

They are mainly too slow to get that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

http://www.osjspm.org/major_themes.aspx

SEE #2-#6 Don't attack just Democrats. They didn't dream it up. The Catholic Church teaches it, and they teach it because Christ taught it. Get mad at him. As far as the Malpractice suits go, I'd be thrilled to have Lawyers and Insurance companies kept far away from our healthcare dollars. As far as the oil companies go, if you don't mind giving them forty cents a gallon in profit, then what can I say? It's not a free market situation. That's all I'll say.

Part of the theme of democratic propoganda is to preach to the 'poor' that the rich are holding them down. That they are being given a bad deal simply because they are poor without any personal responsibility. Where the theory comes from is immaterial. They subtly promote class envy and actively promote the GOP is for the rich and we are for the "middle class" and downtrodden when the fact is that it is simply a way to use emotions to win votes. The other side uses emotional religious and topics like abortion and gay rights in the same manner. It is all bs. The rich should be no more beholden to the poor as anyone else. A canidates views on abortion and religion should be immaterial.

Saying that you would be thrilled to have lawyers and insurance companies far away from healthcare and voting Democratic is basically punting on the issue.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

My problem with Christianity is not with what Jesus said. My point was that Canon is trying to make Economic Justice out to be a Democratic scheme. Christ started that. He should blame it on him. That guy started it.

I know you missed religion in school but Catholicism and Christianity are two different animals.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know you missed religion in school but Catholicism and Christianity are two different animals.

Yeah, I know. My mom has a cat named Catholicism, and I let my dog (named Christianity) chase her sometimes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The most important thing about this election is that the winner will get to appoint at least two Supreme Court justices.

Really it is not important except in dealing with social issues that dont affect most of the country. I would think that economic policy would be the number one issue with foreign policy a close second especially with Russia rattling cages and their close friends Iran building bombs. In my mind abortion and gay marriages and the other emotional topics that the Court deals with are just not that important when compared with a stalled economy and rouge foreign leaders. When was the last really groundbreaking thing that passed through the supreme court?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, I know. My mom has a cat named Catholicism, and I let my dog (named Christianity) chase her sometimes.

Got a fish named Muslim?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Got a fish named Muslim?

No, that's the rat hiding in the wall.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In my mind abortion and gay marriages and the other emotional topics that the Court deals with are just not that important when compared with a stalled economy ....

Gee, maybe we should stop spending 350 million dollars a day in IRAQ.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know you missed religion in school but Catholicism and Christianity are two different animals.

Catholics are not considered Christian?

WhaaaaT?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I know you missed religion in school but Catholicism and Christianity are two different animals.

Catholocism is a form of Christianity as is Mormonism for that matter.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gee, maybe we should stop spending 350 million dollars a day in IRAQ.

Iraq has very little to do with our economic issues. Do remember that much of the "cost" of the war is government money spent using American companies which last I looked were still part of our economy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Catholocism is a form of Christianity as is Mormonism for that matter.

Are the three not different?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Iraq has very little to do with our economic issues. Do remember that much of the "cost" of the war is government money spent using American companies which last I looked were still part of our economy.

and the majority of Americans aren't getting infrastructure or anything out of it. Isn't our tax money supposed to help the average American, or is it just to make American companies rich?