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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are the three not different?

All Christian denominations have differences. Are Lutherans not different than presbyterians? Are southern Baptists not different from Northern Baptists?

Your implication is that Catholics are somehow not Chistian which is entirely incorrect. Catholics are just as "Christian" as baptists, methodists, lutherans, etc. It is indeed a subset of Christianity just like the others.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

and the majority of Americans aren't getting infrastructure or anything out of it. Isn't our tax money supposed to help the average American, or is it just to make American companies rich?

Do you ever try to understand the real world? American companies employ American workers who spend American dollars on American goods which makes for more tax revenues for the American govt to spend.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

All Christian denominations have differences. Are Lutherans not different than presbyterians? Are southern Baptists not different from Northern Baptists?

Your implication is that Catholics are somehow not Chistian which is entirely incorrect. Catholics are just as "Christian" as baptists, methodists, lutherans, etc. It is indeed a subset of Christianity just like the others.

True but the term Christians is usually associated (at least in the media) with the "born again" or extreme right version.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you ever try to understand the real world? American companies employ American workers who spend American dollars on American goods which makes for more tax revenues for the American govt to spend.

Borrowed money to finance the Iraq War has cut our productive investment. Since taxes have been cut and other spending has increased since the beginning of the Iraq war, the war has been funded using borrowed money. A lot of Iraq-related costs have been borrowed from foreigners. The interest payments on this debt constitute a flow of funds from Americans to those foreigners who have bought our debt. You're gunna mainly see the very rich traveling abroad. That's because our money is worth so little in other countries.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

All Christian denominations have differences. Are Lutherans not different than presbyterians? Are southern Baptists not different from Northern Baptists?

Your implication is that Catholics are somehow not Chistian which is entirely incorrect. Catholics are just as "Christian" as baptists, methodists, lutherans, etc. It is indeed a subset of Christianity just like the others.

Yess.

Jews first. Then Christians from Jews then Roman Catholics a major Christian group, then Catholic popes getting to close to the rich fellas in Europe. Martin Luther gets pissed. Protestants branch off, which branch further... they are all Christians, ie Jesus Christ is the son of god and savior.

Right Cannon?

oh yes you got the Muslims branching from early christians which branched from Jews.
Jews first. Yes?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

True but the term Christians is usually associated (at least in the media) with the "born again" or extreme right version.

You can't fix this. I knew you missed when you said it. That's why I helped you out with the dog, cat, n' rat. Didn't work. They got around to asking you about it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Borrowed money to finance the Iraq War has cut our productive investment. Since taxes have been cut and other spending has increased since the beginning of the Iraq war, the war has been funded using borrowed money. A lot of Iraq-related costs have been borrowed from foreigners. The interest payments on this debt constitute a flow of funds from Americans to those foreigners who have bought our debt. You're gunna mainly see the very rich traveling abroad. That's because our money is worth so little in other countries.

Our money is worth a lot more than it was a few weeks ago

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you ever try to understand the real world? American companies employ American workers who spend American dollars on American goods which makes for more tax revenues for the American govt to spend.

Cannon Shell is a proponent of the failed supply side experiment? A couple of problems though with your real world scenario. Let me fix it for you:

American Companies are employing more and more foreign workers leaving many American workers broke so they spend on credit for foreign goods that are more expensive because of the weakened dollars caused by our lack of tax revenues by our American Government that spends too much.

There, i would say that is more real world.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

True but the term Christians is usually associated (at least in the media) with the "born again" or extreme right version.

I think you may be referring to Catholics requiring good works and accepting Jesus as your savior where some Protestants require only accepting Christ as your savior... raping and pillaging does not exclude entrance thru the Pearly gates as long as in the end, you accept Christ as your savior.

If you are Catholic, you got to spend some time suffering in Purgatory (not skiing). You just gotta watch everyone else ski just to make sure you suffer a bit before you can hit the pearly gates.

That covers it.
sorta.

but I digress...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Our money is worth a lot more than it was a few weeks ago

Thats not America's doing. Our monetary policy has done nothing but weaken the dollar.

Remember, the recent resurgence of the dollar has come primarily against European currencies and thats simply because it is becoming apparent that the European Central bank is going to have to do something soon.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think you may be referring to Catholics requiring good works and accepting Jesus as your savior where some Protestants require only accepting Christ as your savior... raping and pillaging does not exclude entrance thru the Pearly gates as long as in the end, you accept Christ as your savior.

If you are Catholic, you got to spend some time suffering in Purgatory (not skiing). You just gotta watch everyone else ski just to make sure you suffer a bit before you can hit the pearly gates.

That covers it.
sorta.

but I digress...

I went to Catholic school but slept through most of religion

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Our money is worth a lot more than it was a few weeks ago

71% of a Euro

57% of a Pound

I ain't planning a trip just yet, but it's a welcomed improvement.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I went to Catholic school but slept through most of religion

I did too.
But I took copious notes.
The priests and nuns did not
like me. Nuns battered my hands with rulers.

Thought I was a pest that asked too many questions.
(aside: sorry mom, really)

Cant imagine anyone would think I was long-wnded brat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Cannon Shell is a proponent of the failed supply side experiment? A couple of problems though with your real world scenario. Let me fix it for you:

American Companies are employing more and more foreign workers leaving many American workers broke so they spend on credit for foreign goods that are more expensive because of the weakened dollars caused by our lack of tax revenues by our American Government that spends too much.

There, i would say that is more real world.

Yeah the poor American worker. Like the ones that are driving American automakers out of business because of unskilled labor making $100 an hour and retiring at 50? American companies are to blame for the plight of the poor american worker forced to use their credit cards to buy flat screen tv's. The ones who drive $50000 leased cars and were victims of the awful mortgage men who tricked them into believing they too could live in a $400k house on $38000 a year. What exactly is the % of American companies that have foreign operations?

Your solution is to elect Obama to tax the heck out of the rich to keep up with that out of control govt spending?

Real world is living within your means and stop blaming the someone else for all your problems when those means are exceeded.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

71% of a Euro

57% of a Pound

I ain't planning a trip just yet, but it's a welcomed improvement.

The British economy is about to get worse than ours. They have their own housing crisis too.

Major short point:

The major redistribution of wealth by a government
is the precursor to failure. Dont work.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I went to Catholic school but slept through most of religion

Sister Mary Cletus was my Mother Superior - she was the one with the big paddle.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Major short point:

The major redistribution of wealth by a government
is the precursor to failure. Dont work.

We've never had this major redistribution of wealth. Cuba did. These countries people call Socialist(Scandinavia and the other Euros with national healthcare) are doing fine. They aren't failing. That's because they did not have any major redistribution of wealth. Oprah making 2.5 billion( instead of 3 billion) is not a major redistribution of wealth. Your claim is probably true, but you're too quick to call something a major redistribution of wealth.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

We've never had this major redistribution of wealth. Cuba did. These countries people call Socialist(Scandinavia and the other Euros with national healthcare) are doing fine. They aren't failing. That's because they did not have any major redistribution of wealth. Oprah making 2.5 billion( instead of 3 billion) is not a major redistribution of wealth. Your claim is probably true, but you're too quick to call something a major redistribution of wealth.

As much as I would like to have a stronger middle class.
You cant make it happen through government.
That is really the point.

Scandanavia is probably a very bad example being so homogenous...
as is Japan.
We have a very different dynamic here.
The mixing pot thing.

And health care is a horribly difficult problem.
If you got a plan, they need you in Washington now.
People are living too damn long. Major bucks spent
on older people instead of kids early on.
Major research on drugs to keep people alive longer,
but not necessarily help with the quality of life.
I plan to off myself before this happens.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the poor American worker. Like the ones that are driving American automakers out of business because of unskilled labor making $100 an hour and retiring at 50? American companies are to blame for the plight of the poor american worker forced to use their credit cards to buy flat screen tv's. The ones who drive $50000 leased cars and were victims of the awful mortgage men who tricked them into believing they too could live in a $400k house on $38000 a year. What exactly is the % of American companies that have foreign operations?

Your solution is to elect Obama to tax the heck out of the rich to keep up with that out of control govt spending?

Real world is living within your means and stop blaming the someone else for all your problems when those means are exceeded.

Why do you stick to this worn out elitist myth that supply side economics actually works? Check out the relationship between production and wages from 1980 until today and you tell me that it has been fair to the working class. Inflation adjusted wages have barely moved in the last 30 years while the price of everything has gone up significantly. During the same period of time, check out the rate in which CEO wages have risen. Bottom line? American production has increased but nothing has "trickled down".

So you bring up the cliche of the overextended middle class begging for handouts and living beyond their means while not addressing how it got to be this way and why the trend has been exasperated over the last thirty years. Bring out FACTS not cliches.

If you want to bring up Obama, the FACT is that tax wise, 95% of the population will benefit from his plan.