Is a vote for Sarah..a vote for Todd as well?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I happened to post how I felt about this BEFORE Dala posted the harvard article. Just so happens the harvard article feels pretty similarly to how I feel. Who the fucl< do I think for if not for myself??

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

*carpet bombs thread*

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

That is a different question though. It is quite possible than the Arabs do hate us because of our support of Israel but at the same time withdrawing our support would be a bad idea.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are hopelessly flailing at a subject you don't understand nor care to. Why?

Do you have any idea of who is in the Isreal lobby? Look it up. Educate yourself.

Do you think that our policy towrds Isreal will change under democratic leadership?

You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

[Mortimer]

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That is a different question though. It is quite possible than the Arabs do hate us because of our support of Israel but at the same time withdrawing our support would be a bad idea.

"Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much."

This is the post I replied to originally. If you assume that it is crazy to do so much for them and that our suppost for Isreal is basically th core reson why we are hated, is it a stretch to say she would withdraw support for them?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

No I dont. And I also never said that. The only thing I said was that was the CORE reason they hate us. We need an ally like Isreal in the middle east. They have a ton of intellegence and a superb military.

I do not feel we need to be giving them at least 3 bill a year and at least 20% of our foreign aid though.

[Mortimer]

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

And according to you all the ME's problems are created by Republicians. LOL.

The middle east region was SO STABLE until Reagan messed it up...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think that our policy towrds Isreal will change under democratic leadership?

You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

This is quite true. We've had the same policy towards Isreal with Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Bush 1 & 2, Ronny, ect, ect.

Whether a Repub or Dem is in office doesnt affect this.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Umm, chuck, Isreal wasnt a state until 1948. And if you dont think aid militarily and economically has grown exponentially since the sixties, you are proving even more clueless on the topic than i originally thought.

[Mortimer]

Ah trusted you!...Ah trusted you!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

No I dont. And I also never said that. The only thing I said was that was the CORE reason they hate us. We need an ally like Isreal in the middle east. They have a ton of intellegence and a superb military.

I do not feel we need to be giving them at least 3 bill a year and at least 20% of our foreign aid though.

So a military ally in the most vital region and unstable region in the world, surrounded by those who wish for their elimination dont deserve our aid. Where exactly do you think they got the military hardware from? Should we give it to Indochina instead?

What about Tudd? Err Todd?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much."

This is the post I replied to originally. If you assume that it is crazy to do so much for them and that our suppost for Isreal is basically th core reson why we are hated, is it a stretch to say she would withdraw support for them?

Yes it is a COMPLETE stretch Chuck and you are so very wrong about my posts you cant seem to grasp it. I think its crazy how much we give them, and they ARE a more than competant country. But to assume I feel we need to withdraw support for them and not have them as an ally is rediculous Chuck. But we dont need to give them so much . We have tons of allies we dont treat like Isreal.

[Mike]

I can't believe this thread is averaging a post every 15 seconds for the past hour. Don't people want to talk about McCain and Nazi death squads?

A VOTE FOR TUDD!!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

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Umm, chuck, Isreal wasnt a state until 1948. And if you dont think aid militarily and economically has grown exponentially since the sixties, you are proving even more clueless on the topic than i originally thought.

I dont know why you feel the need to call names? 1945,48, what is the difference. You called me out for suggesting their was a jewish vote. Which their obviously is. Then you call me out and call me names yet never answer any of the questions. You ignore the fact that our Isreali policy is basically the same regardless of party in charge. the only thing you brought to this discussion was the introduction of the Isreal Lobby and it's conservative eadership but failed to do anything else but call names. Or of course some 1000 page crap that we are supposed to take as fact.

[Mortimer]

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