Israelis ... Just Plain Stupid Or What?

[SentToStud]

Well, they captured Hassan Nasrallah.

Unfortunately, this Hassan Nasrallah is a 54 year-old grocer who looks as much like Hezbollah General Secretary who goes by the same name as do thousands of Arabs, as I resemble Mr. Ed.

They whisked this bald, thin 54 year-old off, marching him to a helicopter for transport back to the motherland for intense interrogation.

Though it was obvious to the Israelis that he was just a grocer, they interrogated him for hours while he was kept shackled (apparently they were concerned he's attack them with a concealed eggplant?).

They kept this innocent grocer captive for THREE WEEKS until the Israeli Supreme Court ordered him released.

Brilliant capture? Well, no.

Plainly cruel racism indicative of prevailing Israeli "collective punishment" dogma? Well, maybe.

Just plain stupid? Well, maybe more so.

Who's to say? Certainly a waste of time and supporting U.S. tax dollars.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/8929/207/

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, they captured Hassan Nasrallah.

Unfortunately, this Hassan Nasrallah is a 54 year-old grocer who looks as much like Hezbollah General Secretary who goes by the same name as do thousands of Arabs, as I resemble Mr. Ed.

They whisked this bald, thin 54 year-old off, marching him to a helicopter for transport back to the motherland for intense interrogation.

Though it was obvious to the Israelis that he was just a grocer, they interrogated him for hours while he was kept shackled (apparently they were concerned he's attack them with a concealed eggplant?).

They kept this innocent grocer captive for THREE WEEKS until the Israeli Supreme Court ordered him released.

Brilliant capture? Well, no.

Plainly cruel racism indicative of prevailing Israeli "collective punishment" dogma? Well, maybe.

Just plain stupid? Well, maybe more so.

Who's to say? Certainly a waste of time and supporting U.S. tax dollars.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/8929/207/

And this proves what?
Isolated incidents like this occur in any conflict...they aren't right, an affront to decency and, as you say, stupid...but they happen! The US attacked the wrong island looking for the Pueblo, sent choppers that couldn't fly in the desert to rescue Iranian hostages; the Brits shot that poor guy in the head how many times? All he was doing was going to work! It's amazing how many acts of simple stupidity occur in this world every day...the implication that this indicates the Israelis are any different than all the rest of us is absurd.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And this proves what?
Isolated incidents like this occur in any conflict...they aren't right, an affront to decency and, as you say, stupid...but they happen! The US attacked the wrong island looking for the Pueblo, sent choppers that couldn't fly in the desert to rescue Iranian hostages; the Brits shot that poor guy in the head how many times? All he was doing was going to work! It's amazing how many acts of simple stupidity occur in this world every day...the implication that this indicates the Israelis are any different than all the rest of us is absurd.

Absurd? Really? here's a bit more from the story... remember it took 3 weeks to release him. They knew who this guy was and who he wasn't in a day. They used him as a bargaining chip. For what? A better price on pistachios? It took the Israeli SUPREME COURT to get this guy released. That's what is absurd.

"Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, acknowledged Wednesday that an error was made.

He laughed at the idea that the common names had anything to do with it.

"There was no case of mistaken identity. We know very well who the real Hassan Nasrallah is," he said."

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And this proves what?
Isolated incidents like this occur in any conflict...they aren't right, an affront to decency and, as you say, stupid...but they happen! The US attacked the wrong island looking for the Pueblo, sent choppers that couldn't fly in the desert to rescue Iranian hostages; the Brits shot that poor guy in the head how many times? All he was doing was going to work! It's amazing how many acts of simple stupidity occur in this world every day...the implication that this indicates the Israelis are any different than all the rest of us is absurd.

Even though I have him on "Ignore" ... I could see his post when you responded to it.

Might you not have pointed out to him ... not that it would do any good ... that Israel HAS a Supreme Court ... which can issue orders that other Israelis obey ... out of respect for the Rule Of Law ... something dramatically absent in Arab "cultures"?

So dumb he doesn't even understand when he's undermining his own arguments.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Even though I have him on "Ignore" ... I could see his post when you responded to it.

Might you not have pointed out to him ... not that it would do any good ... that Israel HAS a Supreme Court ... which can issue orders that other Israelis obey ... out of respect for the Rule Of Law ... something dramatically absent in Arab "cultures"?

So dumb he doesn't even understand when he's undermining his own arguments.

Good point in both ways....Israel is a democracy, something the Jew haters on this board like to ignore and of course that point would have done no good whatsoever! This game is lame and boring...pick out any mistake, large or small and blow it up into an indictment of Israel...oh my god, those Jews did that!? How terrible!! Meanwhile the terrorist animals are lopping off the heads of innocent civilians...I guess you don't need a court system once you remove someone's head!

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Absurd? Really? here's a bit more from the story... remember it took 3 weeks to release him. They knew who this guy was and who he wasn't in a day. They used him as a bargaining chip. For what? A better price on pistachios? It took the Israeli SUPREME COURT to get this guy released. That's what is absurd.

"Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, acknowledged Wednesday that an error was made.

He laughed at the idea that the common names had anything to do with it.

"There was no case of mistaken identity. We know very well who the real Hassan Nasrallah is," he said."

At least they released him instead of chopping off his head. I love how people want certain groups to act properly and do what is right while other groups can do no wrong. Makes no sense to me. It is a war, there are no innocent people during a war.

[Nostradamus]

Israel just lost a war. They are now grasping at anything for public relations reasons. Not a smart move to start a war you can't win but if you are going to start a war atleast finish it. What was the point in what they did? Nothing.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Good point in both ways....Israel is a democracy, something the Jew haters on this board like to ignore and of course that point would have done no good whatsoever! This game is lame and boring...pick out any mistake, large or small and blow it up into an indictment of Israel...oh my god, those Jews did that!? How terrible!! Meanwhile the terrorist animals are lopping off the heads of innocent civilians...I guess you don't need a court system once you remove someone's head!

You guys are incredible.

Anytime anyone takes an opinion not in line with pro-Israeli positions, you label them Jew Haters and lovers of terrorists? That's laughable and lamentable. I'm anything but either of those. I do however, see the world in all of it's dimensions and I am admittedly not the hugest fan of the incumbent Israeli leaders. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You can go on ahead now and continue labeling anyone who disagrees with how you see the world as a Jew Hater. That, some people would say, is bigotry at its worst, but at least it is the easy way out.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You guys are incredible.

Anytime anyone takes an opinion not in line with pro-Israeli positions, you label them Jew Haters and lovers of terrorists? That's laughable and lamentable. I'm anything but either of those. I do however, see the world in all of it's dimensions and I am admittedly not the hugest fan of the incumbent Israeli leaders. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You can go on ahead now and continue labeling anyone who disagrees with how you see the world as a Jew Hater. That, some people would say, is bigotry at its worst, but at least it is the easy way out.

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You guys are incredible.

Anytime anyone takes an opinion not in line with pro-Israeli positions, you label them Jew Haters and lovers of terrorists? That's laughable and lamentable. I'm anything but either of those. I do however, see the world in all of it's dimensions and I am admittedly not the hugest fan of the incumbent Israeli leaders. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You can go on ahead now and continue labeling anyone who disagrees with how you see the world as a Jew Hater. That, some people would say, is bigotry at its worst, but at least it is the easy way out.

I agree the Jew Hater or Minority hater crap is ridiculous. Anytime somebody disagrees it means they hate Jews or Blacks or Hispanics. You can like Jewish people and not like the Israeli government. Last i checked there were plenty of Israelis that don't like their government policy. That doesn't make them Jew Haters.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

I have never said anything about "Terrorists Good." Never.

I label myself as an open minded person who sees the world from different perspectives. You do not agree with my thoughts, so YOU label me a Jew Hater.

I eat breakfast a couple days a week at a bagel place on 44th. I have the same conversations there and noone labels me a Jew Hater as you do. Why is that? The tell me I'm full of sh1t and tell me I'm wrong but noone ever "brands" me as you, Bold and Dixie do.

You call me a Jew Hater.

Dixie Porter calls me an a sshole Arab and has wished for my death.

Bold Brooklyn has called me stupid more times than he and I combined have masturbated.

All because I don't care for the current Israeli politics. What do you call Israelis who disagree with their current leaders?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

Thats a bunch of ****. Ive been called a "jew hater" and its been stated that i "side with the enemy" because my ideas dont fall in line with mainstream right wing rhetoric as have the opinions of every other person on here that would dare say anything that could be construed as disagreeing with American/israeli policy toward arabs. Its typical. If you oppose our idiot president you are termed "unamerican".

I dont hate jews. I dont hate arabs. I dont hate any groups or any person in particular. My only wish is that all sides of the issues are presented not just the spin being spoonfed by this corrupt administration.

[GenuineRisk]

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

the best post yet. Thank you very much!!!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

its been stated that i "side with the enemy" because my ideas dont fall in line with mainstream right wing rhetoric ...

Not at all ...

... it's because you point at the flea ... every nit of the United States and Israel ...

... while conveniently ignoring the elephant ... the ongoing slaughter of innocents by the terrorists.

Your assertions of neutrality become laughable in that light.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Good point in both ways....Israel is a democracy, something the Jew haters on this board like to ignore and of course that point would have done no good whatsoever! This game is lame and boring...pick out any mistake, large or small and blow it up into an indictment of Israel...oh my god, those Jews did that!? How terrible!! Meanwhile the terrorist animals are lopping off the heads of innocent civilians...I guess you don't need a court system once you remove someone's head!

Keep observing my methodology ... and learning from it ...

... deconstruct their actual words ... and turn the tables on them.

Every argument they raise is deeply flawed ... ferret out the flaws ... and whomp them with them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Keep observing my methodology ... and learning from it ...

... deconstruct their actual words ... and turn the tables on them.

Every argument they raise is deeply flawed ... ferret out the flaws ... and whomp them with them.

Are you forgetful of the fact that i had you babbling like a little girl last month as i proved to everyone that you are either a liar or uneducated?

Shall i pull that thread back up?

Are you going to give us another false history lesson on US involvement in the Congo?

Dont make me embarass you again old man.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

Your a nice lady ... but with a big flaw ...

... you continue to accept at face value every nonsensical assertion made by hatemongering propagandists.

Ask yourself this ... what do you actually know about this case? What real, solid information ... from reliable sources ... do you have? You don't really know exactly what happened and/or why Israel did what they did ... do you?

Be a little more skeptical and perspicacious ... there are lots of not-nice folks out there trying to manipulate you ... and you're making it a bit too easy for them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Your a nice lady ... but with a big flaw ...

... you continue to accept at face value every nonsensical assertion made by hatemongering propagandists.

Ask yourself this ... what do you actually know about this case? What real, solid information ... from reliable sources ... do you have? You don't really know exactly what happened and/or why Israel did what they did ... do you?

Be a little more skeptical and perspicacious ... there are lots of not-nice folks out there trying to manipulate you ... and you're making it a bit too easy for them.

What do YOU actually know that hasnt been either :

a: made up in your delusional little brain

b: cut and pasted from some right wing internet article that you googled

You have been shown to have a propensity for both.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are you forgetful of the fact that i had you babbling like a little girl last month as i proved to everyone that you are either a liar or uneducated?

Shall i pull that thread back up?

Are you going to give us another false history lesson on US involvement in the Congo?

Dont make me embarass you again old man.

You're clearly unable to distinguish fantasy from reality ...

... so enjoy your fantasies ... the realities are much too harsh for you to bear.