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Old 11-03-2008, 10:17 AM
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Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.

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Creationist Sarah and the politics of extinction

Even scarier than the Republican vice-presidential nominee's ignorance of science is that many Americans agree that Earth began just a moment ago in time. Rick Feneley reports...

Sarah Palin believes in fossil fuels but not necessarily in fossils. This is no trivial matter. Of all the intense scrutiny Palin has faced in this campaign - not least on the matter of her wardrobe - nobody in America seemed much interested in asking her the dinosaur question.

That is: do you believe, or have you ever believed, that the world was created in the past 5000 or 10,000 years and that dinosaurs roamed the planet alongside humans?

Palin's political extinction may be only days away but somebody really should have asked this question of the woman who has advocated the discussion of creationism in the classroom; the woman who might have been a heartbeat from the presidency; the woman whom John McCain described as being among the "foremost experts in this nation on energy issues".

During the 2006 gubernatorial debate in Alaska, Palin suggested schools could teach creationism as well as evolution. "Teach both," she said. "You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

READ THE FULL PIECE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...e#contentSwap1
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:48 AM
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There are a lot of smart/great people who thoroughly (sp?) believe the Bible & everything in it. Its a hard subject to debate with someone when faith and belief are involved.

Personally, I just can not.. no matter how I think about it or try to have faith, can not believe that Adam and Eve started this whole thing or that Noah's Ark happened.. or... countless stories that I could pull out of the Bible.

I respect people who have faith and believe in the bible... I mean it has to take a lot of faith to believe some of those things.

But to IGNORE SCIENCE (which is supposed to be a major school topic) and teach this creation theory in schools is just
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:16 PM
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There are a lot of smart/great people who thoroughly (sp?) believe the Bible & everything in it. Its a hard subject to debate with someone when faith and belief are involved.

Personally, I just can not.. no matter how I think about it or try to have faith, can not believe that Adam and Eve started this whole thing or that Noah's Ark happened.. or... countless stories that I could pull out of the Bible.

I respect people who have faith and believe in the bible... I mean it has to take a lot of faith to believe some of those things.

But to IGNORE SCIENCE (which is supposed to be a major school topic) and teach this creation theory in schools is just
it shouldn't be.

someone's deep belief in a fairy tale doesn't end the discussion. rational people need to stop walking away from the topic. many christians have no problem understanding that a parable can carry morale truth without being factual. you can believe in god and still know the books of the new testament were written decades to centuries after the historical jesus died and chosen for inclusion by people with a political agenda for a strong centralized church.

the books of the old testament are no different. anyone who believes god stopped the midday sun in the sky (written at a time when people thought earth was the center of the universe) don't understand celestial mechanics.

treat creationists with the same respect you would someone who insists they've been kidnapped by aliens and want to teach your kids about that at school.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:20 PM
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Grade jub,Hi.


Fine work...really.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:25 PM
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Proof there is no god...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmK9tD-Ckg
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:27 PM
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Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.

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Creationist Sarah and the politics of extinction

Even scarier than the Republican vice-presidential nominee's ignorance of science is that many Americans agree that Earth began just a moment ago in time. Rick Feneley reports...

Sarah Palin believes in fossil fuels but not necessarily in fossils. This is no trivial matter. Of all the intense scrutiny Palin has faced in this campaign - not least on the matter of her wardrobe - nobody in America seemed much interested in asking her the dinosaur question.

That is: do you believe, or have you ever believed, that the world was created in the past 5000 or 10,000 years and that dinosaurs roamed the planet alongside humans?

Palin's political extinction may be only days away but somebody really should have asked this question of the woman who has advocated the discussion of creationism in the classroom; the woman who might have been a heartbeat from the presidency; the woman whom John McCain described as being among the "foremost experts in this nation on energy issues".

During the 2006 gubernatorial debate in Alaska, Palin suggested schools could teach creationism as well as evolution. "Teach both," she said. "You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

READ THE FULL PIECE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...e#contentSwap1
Sooooooo.... you voting for McCain?
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:34 PM
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Sooooooo.... you voting for McCain?
I think Steve is writing in Walter Mondale
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:41 PM
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it shouldn't be.

someone's deep belief in a fairy tale doesn't end the discussion. rational people need to stop walking away from the topic. many christians have no problem understanding that a parable can carry morale truth without being factual. you can believe in god and still know the books of the new testament were written decades to centuries after the historical jesus died and chosen for inclusion by people with a political agenda for a strong centralized church.

the books of the old testament are no different. anyone who believes god stopped the midday sun in the sky (written at a time when people thought earth was the center of the universe) don't understand celestial mechanics.

treat creationists with the same respect you would someone who insists they've been kidnapped by aliens and want to teach your kids about that at school.
I 100% agree with this, and I def do debate with my Christian friends (ask Cajun - her and I talk about it all the time). But there are so many of them that think the Bible is Non-Fiction and believe every word in there. I dont get it but no matter what I say, they still have their faith (which is respectable). Shoot a few people I work with believe God is responsible for everything and some how God will make McCain win. I told them - "I'm not sure God is a registered voter" - I also said "How do you know God doesnt want Obama"

Its an honorable thing to have faith IMO... but no way that stuff belongs in classrooms! If you want to learn about it in school - go to a private Catholic or Christian school.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:48 PM
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I 100% agree with this, and I def do debate with my Christian friends (ask Cajun - her and I talk about it all the time). But there are so many of them that think the Bible is Non-Fiction and believe every word in there. I dont get it but no matter what I say, they still have their faith (which is respectable). Shoot a few people I work with believe God is responsible for everything and some how God will make McCain win. I told them - "I'm not sure God is a registered voter" - I also said "How do you know God doesnt want Obama"

Its an honorable thing to have faith IMO... but no way that stuff belongs in classrooms! If you want to learn about it in school - go to a private Catholic or Christian school.
That was pretty swell as well.

I liked it..although you will never know what I am.





I do believe Adam and Eve is a metaphor for Steve and Thebby.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:52 PM
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Behooviepied.


I do know what you are though.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:54 PM
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Lori, you are on a roll homie!
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:56 PM
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Behooviepied.


I do know what you are though.


YOU KNOW NOTHING!



















I'm sorry.


You know nothing.





Because I want to know who made the black hole...that's my question to science...and how God had no beginning and will have no end....and that He is everywhere.

The last one I can maybe buy---a little.




They both have bu-choo 'splaining to do.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:56 PM
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I think Steve is writing in Walter Mondale
that's alright... i wrote in a Simon/Byk ticket
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:57 PM
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After reading a few articles on state laws limiting voting rights, and debate on the definition of "mental incompetence", I do agree with rescinding the right to vote for reasons of diminished capacity. But, we don't give out competency exams when people register to vote.

Would a belief that the world is round, or belief in creationism be sufficient to prove diminished capacity? What is the IQ cut-off? How about past drug/alcohol use?
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:04 PM
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I do believe Adam and Eve is a metaphor for Steve and Thebby.
Fine work Maestro!




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Old 11-03-2008, 01:09 PM
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Lori, you are on a roll homie!
Thanks homie.. now that Philly has a World Championship my brain can function normally LOL

In all seriousness, I'm not a big fan of MY *****'S SOOOOO HOT. She did a fine job with her speech at the RNC, but since then everything out of her mouth is like trying to listen to SkidsMother... but the opposite view ya know.

My vote hasnt changed, I still like Johnny boy- but I've conceeded the race to Obama and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and support him while he's leading this place (A job I sure as hell wouldnt want at this time in history).
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I'm sorry.


You know nothing.


Because I want to know who made the black hole...that's my question to science...and how God had no beginning and will have no end....and that He is everywhere.

The last one I can maybe buy---a little.


They both have bu-choo 'splaining to do.
tell me about it!! I have a lot of questions I'd like answered by you SIR


(and I DO know)
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:15 PM
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Fine work Maestro!




Thank you.

I hope you and Thebby will enjoy it.
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:17 PM
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Bori..like I said.....nothing.
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Bori?

I guess thats better than Whori
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