Islam and the weapon of deception

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

I would not pose this question, considering that there are lots of wingers out there who love the Japanese internment, and there would actually be lots and lots of support for this from the right, I'm sure.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I would not pose this question, considering that there are lots of wingers out there who love the Japanese internment, and there would actually be lots and lots of support for this from the right, I'm sure.

I don't know any "winger" out there that supported or supports the Japanese internment, and never did I suggest that any Muslims be rounded up. What other wingers do you know,Brian?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, I agree very rarely with TIMM, or HONU. On this subject, they happen to be correct. For example, Zig talks about a Christian she knows that uses the "N" word. He's not doing that for religious reasons. He's not doing that in an effort to follow the teachings of his prophet. He's doing it because he's a racist. His prophet encourages him to not follow his racist views. Right? If not for Christianity, he may very well have used violence against races he doesn't like. Now, compare this to the Muslims that do things we don't agree with. Are they following their prophet's teachings when they blow stuff up, and kill people? Yes, they are following his teachings. For some reason people refuse to believe that. They don't do these acts despite what their prophet says. They do it directly because of what their prophet said. You can say I blanket people all you want, but this is the prophet of their religion. Not some side figure that they can take or leave. If you're a Muslim, then you have a killer for a prophet. He was violent. His teachings are violent. We may get lucky, and some Muslims may refuse to follow their prophet's teachings. Fact is, these terrorists are not disobeying their prophet when they kill innocent people that aren't fellow Muslims. When Christians do these bad things you described, they aren't doing it to satisfy their prophet. It's not done for religious reasons. That's simply not the case when Muslims kill innocent people. I understand the KUM-BA-YA stuff on here, but it's based on ignorance of Islam. Zig, that prophet taught them to convert you to Islam. If you refuse, he taught them to kill you. Enough with the paddy-cake bullsht. If someone chooses to follow that Prophet, then they choose to follow a very violent individual. Read what he said. Who would follow that guy? How can you call yourself peace-loving when your prophet taught you to kill non-believers? How can you have respect for women when your prophet tells you to treat them as your farm animals are treated? Sorry, I don't get that. Your views on this subject are a deep stretch. Ours are based on unfortunate facts that you refuse to accept.

That is simply not true.
There certainly are Christian groups (ever heard of the Phineas Priesthood, for example?) that conduct bombings in the name of Christianity. They aren't just Christians who happen to be terrorists, their terrorism is based on their religious beliefs.
They believe that - based on the bible - their "god" wants them to kill homosexuals, atheists, jews, etc.
Their terrorism is conducted explicitly to please their deity.

[timmgirvan]

^^^^^^^^
out of touch with reality!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I don't know any "winger" out there that supported or supports the Japanese internment, and never did I suggest that any Muslims be rounded up. What other wingers do you know,Brian?

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

^^^^^^^^
out of touch with reality!

Are you suggesting that Christian terrorist groups like the Phineas Priesthood have never actually existed?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Are you suggesting that Christian terrorist groups like the Phineas Priesthood have never actually existed?

I don't know of them, but I've been out of Catholicism for 40 yrs.
Give me a link if you can.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

Are you talking about her blog?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I don't know of them, but I've been out of Catholicism for 40 yrs.
Give me a link if you can.

I don't think it is a Catholic group, although it might be.
Actually, I think Catholics might be another group on their "to kill" list.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Are you talking about her blog?

No. She wrote a book.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't think it is a Catholic group, although it might be.
Actually, I think Catholics might be another group on their "to kill" list.

THAT's an interesting subject....but New Years Eve calls.....
Happy New Year to all and stay safe!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

^^^^^^^^
out of touch with reality!

Come on..are you saying this isn't true?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Give me a link if you can.

http://www.mhrn.org/newsarchive/1096phineas.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood

http://www.adl.org/backgrounders/an_phineas.asp

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides. Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims. You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.

[Riot]

American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides.

So we should give up on trying to educate people away from racism, hate and fear?

Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims.

Strange, as so many Americans are and have been Muslim, and it's such a common religion here in America.

You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.

So are you saying we should continue to lump all Muslims together as terrorists?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Come on..are you saying this isn't true?

I was talking about another poster....I'm doing fine, thank you!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by miraja2

http://www.mhrn.org/newsarchive/1096phineas.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood

http://www.adl.org/backgrounders/an_phineas.asp

Whoa miraja2.....these nutjobs are neo-fascist, white supremacist people!
That's a whole nuther animal than "christian", no matter what they say. These yokels run down the same road as the KKK, except they're more violent, and secretive. I personally feel these people are the worst screed on earth.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That is simply not true.
There certainly are Christian groups (ever heard of the Phineas Priesthood, for example?) that conduct bombings in the name of Christianity. They aren't just Christians who happen to be terrorists, their terrorism is based on their religious beliefs.
They believe that - based on the bible - their "god" wants them to kill homosexuals, atheists, jews, etc.
Their terrorism is conducted explicitly to please their deity.

http://www.harmlessasdoves.com/loveenemies.html

That is what Jesus said about violence. I will never really understand why Christians often ignore what their prophet said, and listen to what some fringe figure in the Old testament said. Other than what Christ had to say, I have absolutely no use for this religion. He's the one diamond in what is otherwise a book of sh-iit. The biggest difference here, is you can justify the killing non-believers (and those who try to leave the religion) with the ISLAMIC prophet's own words. You can't do that by reading Christ's own words. You can beat your wife(if you simply read what the Islamic prophet said about this) if you're Muslim. What Riot is saying is that their prophet contradicted himself. Riot, can you deny his said to kill the nonbelievers? Can you deny he said to kill those who refused to accept Islam as their religion? Can you deny he said to kill those who try to leave Islam? I don't particularly like either religion. I think a person could be pretty decent if they just follow what Christ said, but that form of the religion hasn't really been as popular as the form that uses the old testament(which has the more attractive message of hate for things people naturally already hate.) The Islamic prophet was violent, and this is the reason his followers are(often) violent. If you want a religion where the main figure encourages violence, then Islam is the one. They can't deny that. They can only say that he said conflicting (nice) statements as well. The part about Islam being peace -loving really is It takes the best cake on the walk. That prophet slaughtered those who wouldn't accept Islam as their religion. You hear about Jesus doing such?